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Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by roel_v »

serpix wrote: post #75
petre wrote: post #34

This is the first time I hear about the Jaguar I-Pace.

Just saw one in the back country in Finland. Really deep in the sticks and on a small road. Was a great moment seeing it there. The electric revolution is coming along and unstoppably. Now would be a great time to get a career going in electrification. Electric installation / Solar power installation you name it, the demand will skyrocket.

"Electric installation / Solar power installation you name it, the demand will skyrocket."

They go bankrupt left and right, just like solar manufacturers, because it's a race to the bottom. Race to bankruptcy it almost seems. I think it's a horrible market to be in right now.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by twsted »

threeseed wrote: post #7

Terrible article: 1) It's only about the US. 2) Tesla's big seller is the Model 3 which isn't a competitor for the Audi e-tron and I-Pace. And given the size difference probably isn't a competitor for the Model X either. 3) No one is claiming to be a Tesla killer since no one really has direct 3, X, S, Y competitors. The existing car companies are all off doing their own thing e.g. VW ID.3 (hatchback), Hyundai Kona (…

You mean "...has direct S,3,X,Y competitors."

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

reitzensteinm wrote: post #59
varjag wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are aimed at the same crowd who buy models X&S, and they didn't have much a dent yet here in Norway as well.

The Model 3 is cleaning up in Norway, but the new contenders are absolutely "making a dent" with respect to S&X sales. Both the e-tron and I Pace are individually outselling S&X combined to date in 2019. This is likely due to pent up demand, but it does show that Tesla's absolute domination of the US market hasn't played out in Europe. If you're interested in widespread EV adoption, this is probably ideal. It's conce…

I was in Oslo in 2018, before the Model 3 came out. I saw very many Electric vehicles on the roads, including numerous Teslas.

Now, add to that the model 3 outselling the Model S by a factor of 11 to 1 this year, that is amazing.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by close04 »

LoSboccacc wrote: post #98
systemtest wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Europe, SUVs and crossovers are bought by people with children, back problems or those who think that it will make them look interesting. None of those are “cool”. Unless you like to holler at single moms at the playground boosting about the triple ISO fix childseat attachment. Marketing does a great job into making you think that SUVs are for hip young people with active urban lifestyles but in reality it’s mainl…

europe has also a radically different road network. i.e. urban-suv are doing better here than regular suv because of the difficulties in navigating cities on larger cars and are eating up station wagons too because they get a comparable load volume but none of the parking difficulties. (and they also cost less than full sized suvs and europe has been in a two decade recession, so there's that going for them too)

Most CUVs (or urban SUVs) don't really have as much cargo space as a combi. They are based on the platform of the "regular" sibling (sedan) but with the bigger wheels and axles taking up some of the interior space. The higher driving position comes at a price.

To put it in context, a VW Golf Combi or Peugeot 308 SW have 10+% more cargo space in a package that's slightly longer and narrower than equivalent CUVs like Skoda Karoq or Peugeot 3008 (2 of the roomiest CUVs out there). Whether you find width to be a bigger problem than length when navigating depends on where you live and how you drive. But the choice combi vs. CUV mostly comes mostly to image.

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Post by rumanator »

icelancer wrote: post #67
rumanator wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every electric car slated to arrive has been called a Tesla killer in article after article, sometimes individually, often as a collective. The number of Nissan Leafs sold so far are close to twice the number of Tesla model Ss sold.

>> Nissan Leaf >> Tesla Model S Not comparable cars.

If you move the goalpost enough you'll manage to argue that Tesla's products are the absolute best in a category where they are the only products.

Meanwhile a hatchback and a lift back are hardly not competing in the same market segment.

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Post by alkonaut »

gexla wrote: post #65
King-Aaron wrote: post #13

I wish consumers would take a liking to station wagons again. SUV's are terrible.

I don't know if "looks cool" is the same thing as status (probably not) but station wagons in the US have a history of being the ugliest thing on the road. Maybe the only competitor for worst on the list of cool factor is the mini van. Much of the US is a truck culture. You can drive more places and carry more cargo than anything else. In this case, status becomes proudly declaring yourself as blue collar as opposed…

> SUV's are simply trucks for which the cargo is the family rather than a lawnmower.

In this discussion something should be pointed out: in the US there is a whole segment of SUV that is basically a truch chassis with a passenger compartment. This whole segment of car is more or less unknown outside the US. In the rest of the world the big SUV is the X5/Q7 segment, and below that there are smaller types of SUVs and crossovers. Some americans even argue that the term "SUV" should be reserved for that segment (truck SUV's) while regular "car SUV's" like an X5 are in fact crossovers. I'm from europe and think an SUV is any car similar to the X5 because using the term SUV for a segment that doesn't exist here makes no sense.

> What are the manufacturers going to do when trucks and SUV's are so popular and have a higher profit margin? Make more SUV's

I realize manufacturers can sell more expensive cars with higher margins if they sell SUV's, but as a consumer I seriously don't understand why I'd want to pay a large premium for an SUV over a good 4WD station wagon.

E.g. why would I pay a hefty premium for the Volvo XC60 (suv/crossover) over the V60XC? They aren't that different, but one is called a SUV/Crossover, and the other is a jacked up station wagon. I think the latter is actually better looking! https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a26135531/2020-volvo-v6...

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Post by pwagland »

marvin wrote: post #62
tyfon wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i-pace is actually more comparable to model 3 than model S and X. It has about the same power and internal space, model x is _much_ bigger.

You’re saying it’s comprable to 3 in size and features, but S&X in price? I really don’t intend to be snarky, but I haven’t seen it, and this would be the implication if what you say is correct.

This is indeed what many people say. If you sit in in an i-Pace and a model 3, you wouldn't say that they are competition for each other any more than a Ford Focus is competition to a BMW 2-series, they are similar sizes, but very different trims and technology choices. The i-Pace has many options that the 3 doesn't (HUD, matriculates headlights, etc) and the 3 has arguably better self-driving tech, and over the air updates.

Most Tesla fans only count positive things for the 3 though, and so consider the i-Pace and the model 3 direct competition.

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Post by ReptileMan »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #90
acd wrote: post #28

Toyota and Volkswagen will make more affordable higher quality main stream electric cars.

It's going to be interesting to see how it pans out for VW, they seem to be betting the company on the transition. On the other hand, despite the Prius, Toyota seem to be laggards in this area.

Well Up is a brilliant city car. I do think they get the stuff right.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by rumanator »

gibolt wrote: post #38
rumanator wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Every electric car slated to arrive has been called a Tesla killer in article after article, sometimes individually, often as a collective. The number of Nissan Leafs sold so far are close to twice the number of Tesla model Ss sold.

Nissan Leaf has been on the market with a low price much longer. Sales have slumped since the Model 3 scaled up, news about their battery overheating, and their refusal to produce a vehicle with larger range. It is not a Tesla killer, but was for many a stop-gap solution while waiting for the 3, and Tesla will soon eclipse them in sales. That gap is unlikely to narrow

> Leaf has been on the market with a low price much longer.

So Nissan beat Tesla with a model not only in time to market but also with it's superior price, which resulted so far in selling twice as many cars as Tesla's direct competitors to the Nissan Leaf.

> It is not a Tesla killer

Nothing will ever be if the goalpost is kept moving like that.

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