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Open letter from an Android developer to the Google Play team

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Re: Open letter from an Android developer to the Google Play team

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Post by KenanSulayman »

Illniyar wrote: post #135
sjwright wrote: post #105

I keep hearing stories like this and I remain utterly bemused that the median narrative about Android vs iOS has barely changed in response. There's a lot to love about Android, but I think more people in the tech sector need to realise that their mental model of the phone marketplace has more to do with historical perception of Android being "hacker friendly" than the current realities. Android is open source! Oh wa…

All those things don't really matter, the only thing that matters is that you cannot sideload apps in iOS. As long as you can sideload apps in android, it will always have a better reputation than somewhere you cannot. But even those things you mention, they are all part of a scale, even if android becomes more closed-source it's still miles more open-source than iOS, even if it delays new app submissions it's still…

Just resign the app IPA file and you can literally drag and drop it through Xcode onto your iOS devices. Unless you mean pirating apps with sideloading...

Re: Open letter from an Android developer to the Google Play team

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Post by mirimir »

redwall_hp wrote: post #56
chx wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's the danger of building your entire business on someone else's platform. This is so often repeated but by this logic noone should write mobile apps.

It's pretty ludicrous that this is an accepted notion. App stores are anticompetitve practices at their finest. (Especially Apple's situation, where they're competing with offerings from companies like Amazon, and slapping them with 30% cuts that price them out.) We have two smartphone platforms that have basically full control over third party software. A company or individual that produces application layer softwar…

Maybe they ought to be regulated as public utilities.

With mandated dispute resolution.

Re: Open letter from an Android developer to the Google Play team

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Re: Open letter from an Android developer to the Google Play team

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Post by ninedays »

bad_user wrote: post #140
sjwright wrote: post #105

I keep hearing stories like this and I remain utterly bemused that the median narrative about Android vs iOS has barely changed in response. There's a lot to love about Android, but I think more people in the tech sector need to realise that their mental model of the phone marketplace has more to do with historical perception of Android being "hacker friendly" than the current realities. Android is open source! Oh wa…

I'm an iPhone user currently, have been for some time. However all of the points you mentioned are still true. There is no open source in iOS and the entire platform has an anti open source culture. Android has a lot of open source apps available, including an app store meant just for open source ( https://www.f-droid.org/ ). If you don't like Google Play, at the very least you can distribute your app independently w…

> There is no open source in iOS and the entire platform has an anti open source culture.

People really have short memory and unfortunately have too much biais to even make a simple Google Search to get some informations. Trying to define this as "one is better than the others related to X" is childish at best.

https://developer.apple.com/opensource/

Warm vibes,

Re: Open letter from an Android developer to the Google Play team

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Post by omnimus »

amputect wrote: post #156
mav3rick wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are enough cheap to mid range devices that do the job in Android. I dont think you understand the value of even 100$ in a developing country. Most people don't care about updates in this scenario. They want a phone that works. And far more people in the lower strata have access to cheaper Android phones than Apple.

I have a genuine question: what are some of the "cheap to mid range devices" you're thinking of here? Honest question, not trying to be a jerk, I genuinely want to know.

I have xiaomi m1a1 and i think it's well made. The production quality doesnt seem to be issue nowdays.

Re: Open letter from an Android developer to the Google Play team

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Post by xvector »

Illniyar wrote: post #135
sjwright wrote: post #105

I keep hearing stories like this and I remain utterly bemused that the median narrative about Android vs iOS has barely changed in response. There's a lot to love about Android, but I think more people in the tech sector need to realise that their mental model of the phone marketplace has more to do with historical perception of Android being "hacker friendly" than the current realities. Android is open source! Oh wa…

All those things don't really matter, the only thing that matters is that you cannot sideload apps in iOS. As long as you can sideload apps in android, it will always have a better reputation than somewhere you cannot. But even those things you mention, they are all part of a scale, even if android becomes more closed-source it's still miles more open-source than iOS, even if it delays new app submissions it's still…

The number of people that side load apps are so small as to be completely inconsequential.

Re: Open letter from an Android developer to the Google Play team

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Post by xvector »

bad_user wrote: post #140
sjwright wrote: post #105

I keep hearing stories like this and I remain utterly bemused that the median narrative about Android vs iOS has barely changed in response. There's a lot to love about Android, but I think more people in the tech sector need to realise that their mental model of the phone marketplace has more to do with historical perception of Android being "hacker friendly" than the current realities. Android is open source! Oh wa…

I'm an iPhone user currently, have been for some time. However all of the points you mentioned are still true. There is no open source in iOS and the entire platform has an anti open source culture. Android has a lot of open source apps available, including an app store meant just for open source ( https://www.f-droid.org/ ). If you don't like Google Play, at the very least you can distribute your app independently w…

> at the very least you can distribute your app independently without jailbreaking the phone.

The discussion in the article is about developers. If you’re kicked off of Play by a robot, there’s nothing you can do.

> with ads-blocking extensions and everything, as the default browser.

Ad-blocking is easy and well-supported in Safari. Safari’s tracking prevention extends far beyond anything Firefox has even with the best extensions.

Re: Open letter from an Android developer to the Google Play team

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Post by lloeki »

bad_user wrote: post #140
sjwright wrote: post #105

I keep hearing stories like this and I remain utterly bemused that the median narrative about Android vs iOS has barely changed in response. There's a lot to love about Android, but I think more people in the tech sector need to realise that their mental model of the phone marketplace has more to do with historical perception of Android being "hacker friendly" than the current realities. Android is open source! Oh wa…

I'm an iPhone user currently, have been for some time. However all of the points you mentioned are still true. There is no open source in iOS and the entire platform has an anti open source culture. Android has a lot of open source apps available, including an app store meant just for open source ( https://www.f-droid.org/ ). If you don't like Google Play, at the very least you can distribute your app independently w…

> anti open source culture

I feel like it's more like anti-GPL (because of some specific licensing terms conflicts), and there's nothing intrinsically anti-FOSS in there.

Re: Open letter from an Android developer to the Google Play team

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Post by lol768 »

xvector wrote: post #167
bad_user wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an iPhone user currently, have been for some time. However all of the points you mentioned are still true. There is no open source in iOS and the entire platform has an anti open source culture. Android has a lot of open source apps available, including an app store meant just for open source ( https://www.f-droid.org/ ). If you don't like Google Play, at the very least you can distribute your app independently w…

> at the very least you can distribute your app independently without jailbreaking the phone. The discussion in the article is about developers. If you’re kicked off of Play by a robot, there’s nothing you can do. > with ads-blocking extensions and everything, as the default browser. Ad-blocking is easy and well-supported in Safari. Safari’s tracking prevention extends far beyond anything Firefox has even with the be…

>Ad-blocking is easy and well-supported in Safari. Safari’s tracking prevention extends far beyond anything Firefox has even with the best extensions.

Do you have any links so I can read further on this? I'd like to compare it to both Firefox's built-in tracking protection (and fingerprinting resistance) and the functionality provided by e.g. uBlock Origin.

Re: Open letter from an Android developer to the Google Play team

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Post by lozenge »

rladd wrote: post #2

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What was your spend? A $100/month customer's profits can easily be wiped out by a couple of customer service queries.
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