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Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by kenhwang »

nimbius wrote: post #35
kenhwang wrote: post #25

That's an interesting interpretation of the data. To me, it looks like Model S/X sales have noticeably dropped since the introduction of the Jaguar and Audi. I don't think there will be a singular Tesla killer, but rather, Tesla is increasingly going to be attacked by all sides: Hyundai/Nissan/GM on the mass market side, Jaguar/Audi/Mercedes/BMW on the luxury side, and Porsche on the ultra luxury high end. The Model…

Another aspect is repair. Speaking as someone who works full time as an engine mechanic, sourcing parts or even being allowed to do repair work for a Tesla is a tedious process. Everything comes from one factory with no distribution network, so a door panel repair can take months to fix . In contrast, I can get nearly any part for an Audi delivered to the shop in 2 days and the digital books for service interval and…

My personal experience with Audi was what you described. Car was involved in a fender bender. Insurance said bring the car to any shop. New parts were ordered (presumably pre-painted) and installed with the car returned in 3 days.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by gibolt »

onion2k wrote: post #16
threeseed wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They aren't competitors for the Model 3 but rather a Model Y. And not sure why people are so obsessed with range. It's the megapixels/megahertz spec nonsense again. People don't buy ICE cars based purely on MPG but also for exterior/interior design, quality, comfort, brand, support, seating capacity etc and most importantly what the car says about you as a person.

People buy ICE cars knowing the petrol delivery infrastructure means they'll never run out of gas on a long trip. People are wary of short range electric vehicles because they might not find a charger in time, or the chargers they do find might be in use, and then they'll be stranded.

Range anxiety is definitely a thing, especially if you've never driven an EV and have heard it exists. The issue is a non-issue for most Tesla buyers who have home charging.

The situation will hopefully resolve itself unquestionably in the next 2-3 years.

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Post by taurath »

virgilp wrote: post #30
clouddrover wrote: post #21

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> who complains about how loud a Tesla is? People who have driven in a Mercedes EQC.

I.e. the Mercedes CEO? Also for the other two.... really? Who t.f. wants voice control in their car? Better lights are nice, sure... but it's a minor improvement (most people drive most of the time by day, and even by night, all car lights are "good enough". I paid 2K EUR to get better lights in my car, and they're great when I have to use them, but even I wouldn't have picked my car based on this criteria.... I even…

Voice input is very nice, esp for addresses in navigation. Controlling anything other than entertainment? Not helpful.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by taurath »

threeseed wrote: post #10
MarkSweep wrote: post #6

According to the article, they have less range than a Tesla Model 3 and cost substantially more. That seems like a hard thing to sell.

They aren't competitors for the Model 3 but rather a Model Y. And not sure why people are so obsessed with range. It's the megapixels/megahertz spec nonsense again. People don't buy ICE cars based purely on MPG but also for exterior/interior design, quality, comfort, brand, support, seating capacity etc and most importantly what the car says about you as a person.

> And not sure why people are so obsessed with range.

Because people like doing road trips, staying away from home for a few days at a time

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by [deleted] »

clouddrover wrote: post #21
booi wrote: post #12

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People have been saying this for 5 years now and Tesla didn’t even invent the electric car. Also... who complains about how loud a Tesla is?

> who complains about how loud a Tesla is? People who have driven in a Mercedes EQC.

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Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by ben-schaaf »

acd wrote: post #32
jansan wrote: post #26

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Germany has traditionally been a station wagon country. Although SUVs are everywhere now, you still see more station wagons. As I see it, SUVs are used as a status symbol and they have the advantage of an elevated driving position. Station wagons are generally used by people who "do stuff", who have to transport things or drive long distances. It it the car of the practical thinkers. Station wagons are also driven by…

One could make a mix between station wagon and suv. All it requires is height adjustable dampers. Elevation is a classic status symbol think castle locations. Upper class started driving elevated cars SUVs and middle class want to move up in status.

The Audi e-tron has adjustable ride height for reduced drag. It automatically lowers the car at higher speeds. Not sure if that's what you mean.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by jansan »

petre wrote: post #36
acd wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One could make a mix between station wagon and suv. All it requires is height adjustable dampers. Elevation is a classic status symbol think castle locations. Upper class started driving elevated cars SUVs and middle class want to move up in status.

It's been done: the Audi Allroad. But it's plagued by damper issues.

Dough de Muro called it the "second worst car ever manufactured in the entire history of the automobile" :)

Actually, many upper class cars have height adaptable dampers. I know of one wealthy forest owner who bought the (at that time) super luxury Mercedes 500CL (W215) because the adaptable dampers also made it a great offroad car.

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Post by onion2k »

gibolt wrote: post #42
onion2k wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People buy ICE cars knowing the petrol delivery infrastructure means they'll never run out of gas on a long trip. People are wary of short range electric vehicles because they might not find a charger in time, or the chargers they do find might be in use, and then they'll be stranded.

Range anxiety is definitely a thing, especially if you've never driven an EV and have heard it exists. The issue is a non-issue for most Tesla buyers who have home charging. The situation will hopefully resolve itself unquestionably in the next 2-3 years.

Home charging isn't an option for a lot of people who don't have a garage or a driveway. We're going to see a lot of "electric petrol stations" being built very soon - it's already happening... https://fastnedcharging.com/en

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by petre »

virgilp wrote: post #30
clouddrover wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> who complains about how loud a Tesla is? People who have driven in a Mercedes EQC.

I.e. the Mercedes CEO? Also for the other two.... really? Who t.f. wants voice control in their car? Better lights are nice, sure... but it's a minor improvement (most people drive most of the time by day, and even by night, all car lights are "good enough". I paid 2K EUR to get better lights in my car, and they're great when I have to use them, but even I wouldn't have picked my car based on this criteria.... I even…

Mercedes has a voice controlled GPS navigator in older C models. It never understood where you want to go and the text input is atrouciously useless, just like the TV on screen keyboards. If you had it, you'd probably ended up using a paper map since it has way better ergonomics.
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