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Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by orthoxerox »

King-Aaron wrote: post #13

I wish consumers would take a liking to station wagons again. SUV's are terrible.

Station wagons that can compete with SUVs on price are rare, at least in Europe. Most station wagons are based on premium-ish sedans that can have 1.5x times the price of a Qashqai or an Outlander, not to talk of something like a Duster.

Yes, there's Ford Focus SW ans Škoda Octavia, er, Scout(?), but that's about it, and you'll probably get the same amount of boot space if you buy their crossover SUV instead.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by acd »

jansan wrote: post #26
King-Aaron wrote: post #13

I wish consumers would take a liking to station wagons again. SUV's are terrible.

Germany has traditionally been a station wagon country. Although SUVs are everywhere now, you still see more station wagons. As I see it, SUVs are used as a status symbol and they have the advantage of an elevated driving position. Station wagons are generally used by people who "do stuff", who have to transport things or drive long distances. It it the car of the practical thinkers. Station wagons are also driven by…

One could make a mix between station wagon and suv. All it requires is height adjustable dampers.

Elevation is a classic status symbol think castle locations. Upper class started driving elevated cars SUVs and middle class want to move up in status.

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Post by radium3d »

kenhwang wrote: post #25

That's an interesting interpretation of the data. To me, it looks like Model S/X sales have noticeably dropped since the introduction of the Jaguar and Audi. I don't think there will be a singular Tesla killer, but rather, Tesla is increasingly going to be attacked by all sides: Hyundai/Nissan/GM on the mass market side, Jaguar/Audi/Mercedes/BMW on the luxury side, and Porsche on the ultra luxury high end. The Model…

Perhaps the model 3 is cannibalizing s and x sales instead? It is much more modern and nearly identical in speed and has ample storage and comfort. The s is better if you need more space and longer range, x if storage is your need. I imagine s and x are a hard sell with the steering wheel UX being much more complex and confusing plus the similarities compared with the model 3 for a much higher price tag.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by nimbius »

kenhwang wrote: post #25

That's an interesting interpretation of the data. To me, it looks like Model S/X sales have noticeably dropped since the introduction of the Jaguar and Audi. I don't think there will be a singular Tesla killer, but rather, Tesla is increasingly going to be attacked by all sides: Hyundai/Nissan/GM on the mass market side, Jaguar/Audi/Mercedes/BMW on the luxury side, and Porsche on the ultra luxury high end. The Model…

Another aspect is repair. Speaking as someone who works full time as an engine mechanic, sourcing parts or even being allowed to do repair work for a Tesla is a tedious process. Everything comes from one factory with no distribution network, so a door panel repair can take months to fix . In contrast, I can get nearly any part for an Audi delivered to the shop in 2 days and the digital books for service interval and installation are all at my fingertips.

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Post by petre »

acd wrote: post #32
jansan wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Germany has traditionally been a station wagon country. Although SUVs are everywhere now, you still see more station wagons. As I see it, SUVs are used as a status symbol and they have the advantage of an elevated driving position. Station wagons are generally used by people who "do stuff", who have to transport things or drive long distances. It it the car of the practical thinkers. Station wagons are also driven by…

One could make a mix between station wagon and suv. All it requires is height adjustable dampers. Elevation is a classic status symbol think castle locations. Upper class started driving elevated cars SUVs and middle class want to move up in status.

It's been done: the Audi Allroad. But it's plagued by damper issues.

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Post by kenhwang »

radium3d wrote: post #33
kenhwang wrote: post #25

That's an interesting interpretation of the data. To me, it looks like Model S/X sales have noticeably dropped since the introduction of the Jaguar and Audi. I don't think there will be a singular Tesla killer, but rather, Tesla is increasingly going to be attacked by all sides: Hyundai/Nissan/GM on the mass market side, Jaguar/Audi/Mercedes/BMW on the luxury side, and Porsche on the ultra luxury high end. The Model…

Perhaps the model 3 is cannibalizing s and x sales instead? It is much more modern and nearly identical in speed and has ample storage and comfort. The s is better if you need more space and longer range, x if storage is your need. I imagine s and x are a hard sell with the steering wheel UX being much more complex and confusing plus the similarities compared with the model 3 for a much higher price tag.

What happened with the Model 3 in 2019 that would cause the drop off in 2019 sales? If anything, the Model 3 would've impacted sales from 2017-onward when it was introduced.

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by gibolt »

rumanator wrote: post #27
gibolt wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every electric car slated to arrive has been called a Tesla killer in article after article, sometimes individually, often as a collective. Several of them are targeting Tesla owners with discounts, ads at superchargers, etc... The companies clearly think they are competing with Tesla, especially since they don't want to compete with themselves (ICE models). As for doing their own thing, most have a battery shortage…

> Every electric car slated to arrive has been called a Tesla killer in article after article, sometimes individually, often as a collective. The number of Nissan Leafs sold so far are close to twice the number of Tesla model Ss sold.

Nissan Leaf has been on the market with a low price much longer. Sales have slumped since the Model 3 scaled up, news about their battery overheating, and their refusal to produce a vehicle with larger range. It is not a Tesla killer, but was for many a stop-gap solution while waiting for the 3, and Tesla will soon eclipse them in sales. That gap is unlikely to narrow

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Post by clouddrover »

virgilp wrote: post #30
clouddrover wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> who complains about how loud a Tesla is? People who have driven in a Mercedes EQC.

I.e. the Mercedes CEO? Also for the other two.... really? Who t.f. wants voice control in their car? Better lights are nice, sure... but it's a minor improvement (most people drive most of the time by day, and even by night, all car lights are "good enough". I paid 2K EUR to get better lights in my car, and they're great when I have to use them, but even I wouldn't have picked my car based on this criteria.... I even…

The EQC also has better fit and finish and is cheaper than the Model X.

Compare UK prices for the EQC: https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/mercedes-benz/eqc/specs

And the Model X: https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/modelx/design?redirect=no#batter...

Re: Jaguar and Audi SUVs Fail to Dent Tesla’s Electric-Car Dominance

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Post by gibolt »

kenhwang wrote: post #37
radium3d wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps the model 3 is cannibalizing s and x sales instead? It is much more modern and nearly identical in speed and has ample storage and comfort. The s is better if you need more space and longer range, x if storage is your need. I imagine s and x are a hard sell with the steering wheel UX being much more complex and confusing plus the similarities compared with the model 3 for a much higher price tag.

What happened with the Model 3 in 2019 that would cause the drop off in 2019 sales? If anything, the Model 3 would've impacted sales from 2017-onward when it was introduced.

It began selling in large quantities and more locales. Word of mouth, access to test drive, and the vast amount of internet/media hype, and nearly comparable performance could combine to reduce likelihood to buy above the 3.
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