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California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’

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Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’

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post #42

Serious question. Where are people supposed to go to the restroom when the is no public restroom around?

This is an issue in some cities in western Europe also, there are no free restrooms available. No wonder everything around train/subway stations smells like piss.

Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’

#132
post #116

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> should we not care for those homeless? NO, should we always put them first? NO. it's a balance of arts, going in any direction a little too far will break it. Bay Area is currently doing very little except complain about homeless folks. NYC has more homelessness per capita, but they've both built shelters and had a strong policy of sheltering homeless folks. As a result, ~95% of NYC homeless people (>63000 people)…

can you provide source for the percentages? thanks. CA is leading the path towards socialism, i'm surprised it's lagging behind to take care of the homeless there, which should be a core action item for that ideology. Maybe they're just good at talk the talk, as always. Seattle seems no better as far as homeless is concerned. Austin is becoming a favorite destination city for homeless nowadays too, tents up everywher…

> can you provide source for the percentages? thanks.

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Bay-Area-homeless-uns...

Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’

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post #57
post #20

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That's a caricature. In fact there are a near infinite variety of reasons for being homeless, and many homeless folks not only can hold jobs, but work them already. Yet they're on the streets anyway because of financial pressure, look like the "these people" you want to lock up, and would probably get picked up under the same ordinance.

That’s also a caricature. Some of the homeless are indeed able to hold job, and pay bills, etc., and just need a little extra help. They are not usually the ones defecating in the streets. Others need serious mental help. The line between the two is not the subtle “infinite variety” you make it out to be.

Dude. Most of the time people complain about homeless it is the crazy people that shit on the streets. Don’t change the subject by saying people that sleep in cars or on friends couch’s shouldn’t be criticized too. They aren’t.

That is why I propose a new term for the people most of us complain about. I use the term crazies or untouchables.

Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’

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post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a caricature. In fact there are a near infinite variety of reasons for being homeless, and many homeless folks not only can hold jobs, but work them already. Yet they're on the streets anyway because of financial pressure, look like the "these people" you want to lock up, and would probably get picked up under the same ordinance.

Shitting on the street and being homeless are two issues here.

Yes I agree. We should use the term street shitters to differentiate. I see a huge issue when talking about homeless is that people have different ideas what we are talking about and get easily offended.

Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’

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It's not quite that simple. The West Coast has seen a huge influx of homeless people (ex. [1] - 12% YoY increase in LA) while the nation overall has seen a drop [2]. If your homeless population is steady or falling it's easier to build enough services for them than if thousands more arrive every year. Also, I agree that more shelters and services need to be built, but it would be nice if the Federal government pitche…

> The West Coast has seen a huge influx of homeless people Your source shows an INCREASE of homeless people, but not necessarily an INFLUX, i.e. it's not clear whether the newly homeless are in fact "arriving" (from out of state) or have been prior residents who lost their shelter. Anecdotally, I don't think I've ever met somebody who had a PLAN to move to California to be homeless there. But I've met a number of peo…

The LA homeless survey does track where people lived when they became homeless. In 2019, the number who became homeless outside of CA is 20% [1]. AFAIK, they don't release raw data so we can segment by newly homeless, but in 2018, this same figure was 14% [2].

Seattle / King County's survey asks a similar question and it's just 5% [3]. Conservative media up here likes to claim that homeless immigration is a significant problem (it isn't), but it seems like LA is facing a different challenge.

1 - https://www.lahsa.org/documents?id=3437-2019-greater-los-ang...

2 - https://www.lahsa.org/documents?id=2059-2018-greater-los-ang...

3 - http://allhomekc.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/Updated-7.11...

Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’

#136
post #14

Build. More. Homeless. Shelters. California is so damned NIMBY'd up that they refuse to build shelters and act surprised when homeless people sleep outside. Then they throw their hands up in the air like "uh, it must be the weather" It's stupid. In New York we have more homeless per capita and in absolute numbers but we have nothing like the street issues that west coast cities have. It's because we actually house th…

We need involuntary commitment and drug treatment. Mental illness and drug use are the backbones of this, and essentially homeless people need to be treated period, regardless of their objections. Maybe even long term.

Trying to build more shelters does nothing; the core is problem homeless who cannot function in society. Shelters only work as a temporary measure to allow people to get back on their feet, but if they have no feet to get back on...

Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’

#137
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mental healthcare may be relevant to this issue. But the cost of housing is not. These people cannot hold jobs because they are mentally ill. They need state provided institutional care, otherwise they will remain on the streets.

That's a caricature. In fact there are a near infinite variety of reasons for being homeless, and many homeless folks not only can hold jobs, but work them already. Yet they're on the streets anyway because of financial pressure, look like the "these people" you want to lock up, and would probably get picked up under the same ordinance.

Nah, the core of this are problem homeless who can't hold jobs or are even coherent much. Someone who is just down on their luck and could recover if they had a job is not someone who drops their trousers n the middle of the street to shit there.

Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’

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post #14

Build. More. Homeless. Shelters. California is so damned NIMBY'd up that they refuse to build shelters and act surprised when homeless people sleep outside. Then they throw their hands up in the air like "uh, it must be the weather" It's stupid. In New York we have more homeless per capita and in absolute numbers but we have nothing like the street issues that west coast cities have. It's because we actually house th…

Why not deal with homelessness closer to the root of the problem, of which there are many?

In the current political climate (really the last 20+ years, but more so lately), politicians do not solve problems, they create them.

And, the problem of homelessness can't be solved in SF or NY or LA, because I've read of cities putting their homeless on buses to SF (or elsewhere).

This is a national problem and needs to be addressed nationally and at root causes. Everything else we do is papering over the problem.

Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’

#139
post #14

Build. More. Homeless. Shelters. California is so damned NIMBY'd up that they refuse to build shelters and act surprised when homeless people sleep outside. Then they throw their hands up in the air like "uh, it must be the weather" It's stupid. In New York we have more homeless per capita and in absolute numbers but we have nothing like the street issues that west coast cities have. It's because we actually house th…

> Build. More. Homeless. Shelters. Making the existing ones safe enough that the homeless don't actively avoid them should probably come first.

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Re: California’s Biggest Cities Confront a ‘Defecation Crisis’

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post #14

Build. More. Homeless. Shelters. California is so damned NIMBY'd up that they refuse to build shelters and act surprised when homeless people sleep outside. Then they throw their hands up in the air like "uh, it must be the weather" It's stupid. In New York we have more homeless per capita and in absolute numbers but we have nothing like the street issues that west coast cities have. It's because we actually house th…

> Build. More. Homeless. Shelters. Making the existing ones safe enough that the homeless don't actively avoid them should probably come first.

People are being turned away from the shelters.
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