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Censorship in China Allows Govt Criticism but Silences Collective Expression [pdf]

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Living in Australia, I've been exposed to both Hong Kong and mainlander Chinese people and I've developed an opinion. Australia really needs to start working harder to understand them than they do to understand us. In light of the recent disturbances in HK I read things like this paper with renewed interest.

The views of the mainlanders on HK are fascinating in how alien they are in contrast to how the Australian press sees the situation. I don't think the media is demonstrating an understanding of the relationship the Chinese middle class have with their government.

Re: Censorship in China Allows Govt Criticism but Silences Collective Expression [pdf]

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Exactly same thing can be said about US [1]. It really fascinates me how much focus there is on China when exact same things like suppression of political opinion and mass surveilance are happening in the West. I think it would be far more productive to focus on fixing shit here than to obsess about China as if everything was fine in the West. Meanwhile the West is still fueling the genocide in Yemen by the Saudis making it clear that all the outrage about human rights is just cynical posturing.

[1] https://scholar.princeton.edu/sites/default/files/mgilens/fi...

Re: Censorship in China Allows Govt Criticism but Silences Collective Expression [pdf]

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post #4

Living in Australia, I've been exposed to both Hong Kong and mainlander Chinese people and I've developed an opinion. Australia really needs to start working harder to understand them than they do to understand us. In light of the recent disturbances in HK I read things like this paper with renewed interest. The views of the mainlanders on HK are fascinating in how alien they are in contrast to how the Australian pre…

Would you be able to elaborate more on your 2nd paragraph?

Re: Censorship in China Allows Govt Criticism but Silences Collective Expression [pdf]

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Does this mean, two people can tell each other the government is shit, but 10 people can't get together and tell their collective opinion even if it was the opposite?

More or less that.

My Chinese friends discuss the politics openly, sometimes even on WeChat. As long as you don't do it over group chats or in public no one would bother you.

There was just this funny thing that the famous llama pic was automatically filtered even in 1-1 chats.

Re: Censorship in China Allows Govt Criticism but Silences Collective Expression [pdf]

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Living in Australia, I've been exposed to both Hong Kong and mainlander Chinese people and I've developed an opinion. Australia really needs to start working harder to understand them than they do to understand us. In light of the recent disturbances in HK I read things like this paper with renewed interest. The views of the mainlanders on HK are fascinating in how alien they are in contrast to how the Australian pre…

Could you explain what you see the media getting incorrect or missing?

Re: Censorship in China Allows Govt Criticism but Silences Collective Expression [pdf]

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Does this mean, two people can tell each other the government is shit, but 10 people can't get together and tell their collective opinion even if it was the opposite?

More or less that. My Chinese friends discuss the politics openly, sometimes even on WeChat. As long as you don't do it over group chats or in public no one would bother you. There was just this funny thing that the famous llama pic was automatically filtered even in 1-1 chats.

this is exactly what an oppressive government wants.

as long as people are able to discuss politics with their friends, they have a outlet to vent without being able to actually form political resistance.

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