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Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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A loss of political support for manufacturing has caused a loss of manufacturing in the US too - we wanted nice clean information jobs, no dirty factory jobs spewing chemicals all over

We live in post-industrial society. It's a natural and welcome development.

Manufacturing's share of GDP falls in all OECD countries. Services grow faster. Even manufacturers get more and more income from services.

Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only there was some sort of regional currency, less susceptible to a single country’s economic changes, that one could use...

The ECB is not unbiased in the slightest, they always favour the northern states.

The ECB/Euro favours the fiscally disciplined states. I'm not convinced that includes the UK.

Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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All of the main parties in the UK keep skirting around the start of the solution to "rebalancing" the economy: massively increased taxes on the rich to pay for the required investment. This is not a new idea; low taxes for the wealthy are a relatively modern phenomenon yet the social mobility gap has been getting wider. There is surely enough support for it among a properly informed plebiscite, but they are never giv…

"Despite Joseph's assertions, the middle-aged engineers who were laid off didn't go away and become software engineers – they largely landed up in worse jobs or on the scrapheap."

Reminds me of something a popular 2020 candidate says regularly about retraining failures as automation arrives to suck up jobs.

UK might need a Yang like $1000 pound/month citizen's dividend.

Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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This article provides no evidence that deindustrialization is the cause of any of the ills it reports on, it just lays out facts about the economy with a few sentimental appeals to serve as tentposts.

I personally think that the UK has outsourced manufacturing without investing sufficiently into STEM to make up for it.

Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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Just to add to the complexity of the issue: Part of the problem for the UK lies in the strength of the pound. The financial sector is so strong that it drives up the value of the pound beyond the demand for anything made in Britain. This makes it hard to compete on price in pounds. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease

This is the biggest reason. The pound has been over-valued for entire generation, making hard to export. The second biggest problem - my opinion - is the class / education system in the UK suppressed the possibility of the type of talent you need in upper and middle management to enable companies to scale. You need professionals that worked their way up on the basis of merit and ability and are used to self-learning…

It's hard to see that changing when the political and media classes are filled with Oxbridge graduates.

Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only there was some sort of regional currency, less susceptible to a single country’s economic changes, that one could use...

...if only that currency was controllable by Britain's government according to Britain's needs, instead of being run according to some other country's interests to propel its own economy (using a number of satellite states to vote in its favor) -- and causing the exact same problem the grandparent described in the periphery countries...

Where this narrative of German driving the EU comes from?

Please note that I am not taking any position, I just want to get more informed about the internal EU problems.

Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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Britain makes the best cars in the world, the problem is they only make a few dozen a year. All that hard work, just for Lewis Hamilton to lead a parade.

>>>Britain makes the best cars in the world

Which ones are the those, the unreliable McLarens, or the unreliable (but at least beautiful) Aston Martins?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGK7XPNFhpQ

Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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post #26
post #14

Just to add to the complexity of the issue: Part of the problem for the UK lies in the strength of the pound. The financial sector is so strong that it drives up the value of the pound beyond the demand for anything made in Britain. This makes it hard to compete on price in pounds. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_disease

This is the biggest reason. The pound has been over-valued for entire generation, making hard to export. The second biggest problem - my opinion - is the class / education system in the UK suppressed the possibility of the type of talent you need in upper and middle management to enable companies to scale. You need professionals that worked their way up on the basis of merit and ability and are used to self-learning…

It's not always easy in the US, either. Michael Dell famously got his start by selling PCs out of his dorm room at the University of Texas. As could be expected, as his business gained momentum his grades took a dive, and eventually he dropped out. Later, when he realized he had a real business on his hands, he tried to go back and take some additional business courses, and the university told him to get lost.

Ultimately he ended up with George Kosmetzky, the dean of the business school, as a board member, so I guess there were no long-term hard feelings. But still, this episode showed where the school's priorities really were.

Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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post #17

All of the main parties in the UK keep skirting around the start of the solution to "rebalancing" the economy: massively increased taxes on the rich to pay for the required investment. This is not a new idea; low taxes for the wealthy are a relatively modern phenomenon yet the social mobility gap has been getting wider. There is surely enough support for it among a properly informed plebiscite, but they are never giv…

That’s one possible approach. The one I favour is a total moratorium on new building work in the South East. That’s the only way to force both workers and companies to look to the North. The problem with “tax the rich” is that the numbers of truly rich are tiny and you could swallow their entire fortunes and they’ll be gone in a week. Exercise for the reader, how long would Richard Branson’s entire wealth run the NHS…

Why not tax the merely rich too? I'm probably going to be one of them in a few years. I want to pay more tax to help benefit the society that let me get to where I'm going, but I absolutely want everyone else in my position to pay too.

Anyway, I agree with your idea about the south east. As the article points out, Thatcher's policies focused on the south east and ignored the "North" (part of the problem being no one can agree where the North starts or ends). Ideas like HS2 pushed by the new Tories are also just making it possible to live in the north and yet still work in London, not solving any problem.

Re: Why doesn't Britain make things any more? (2011)

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post #17

All of the main parties in the UK keep skirting around the start of the solution to "rebalancing" the economy: massively increased taxes on the rich to pay for the required investment. This is not a new idea; low taxes for the wealthy are a relatively modern phenomenon yet the social mobility gap has been getting wider. There is surely enough support for it among a properly informed plebiscite, but they are never giv…

That’s one possible approach. The one I favour is a total moratorium on new building work in the South East. That’s the only way to force both workers and companies to look to the North. The problem with “tax the rich” is that the numbers of truly rich are tiny and you could swallow their entire fortunes and they’ll be gone in a week. Exercise for the reader, how long would Richard Branson’s entire wealth run the NHS…

Those wanting to "tax the rich", what is their definition of rich? I would hazard a guess it's much less than Richard Branson, and therefore the numbers would be much higher
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