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NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

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Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

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Post by slfnflctd »

pavs wrote: post #41
zaroth wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For starters, lets feed the cows some seaweed. IMO technology is very rapidly evolving which will drastically reduce emissions with very little negative trade-offs, and in fact, do so in an economically competitive fashion. The EV cars don’t just emit nothing, they are also better cars in almost every respect. The seaweed cows don’t just not fart methane, they grow fatter for less feed. The solar power isn’t just gre…

Also, quality Veggie burgers have been a thing for almost a decade now. With major fast-food chain and grocery stores are offering them. There are so many way to handle global warming issue, and yes individual contribution does matter, but the only way to move the needle in any meaningful way has to come from the top of the government and real actual meaningful policy and its implementation in a reasonable time. That…

Perhaps we should reduce government subsidies to beef producers and start giving them to lab meat and veggie burger producers? My biggest problem with plant-based meat & cheese analogs at this point is that they cost more. It shouldn't take too much tweaking to at least bring them to parity.

Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

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Post by RickJWagner »

sak5sk wrote: post #71
RickJWagner wrote: post #2

I live in Central Arkansas, which normally has hot summers. It looks like July was actually a little cooler for us this year. http://www.worldclimate.com/climate/us/arkansas/little-rock https://www.accuweather.com/en/us/little-rock-ar/72201/july-...

Weather is not climate. Climate change will trigger some places to be colder (at times) while overall hotter (on average). If you want to learn more, look into ocean currents, acidification and how fresh meltwater has an impact on currents / weather patterns. Here is a good Youtube channel for reference: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtZdUYUZr493AUh_EInBYxQ

Yeah, I get that.

I was kind of hoping others might look, report how their July was. (I expect some hot European temperatures, not sure about the rest of the world.)

Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

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Post by egdod »

the8472 wrote: post #107
egdod wrote: post #21

... by 0.05 degrees Fahrenheit. I wonder what the error bars are on that number.

If the records were rising by 1 degree per year we would already be toast. That the increases are so small means that we'll only be toast in a century or two instead if nothing changes. modulo tipping points.

That’s not at all what I asked.

Re: NOAA Data Confirms July Was Hottest Month Ever Recorded

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abootstrapper wrote: post #55
sanxiyn wrote: post #33

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I am not familiar with US politics, but looking at your link, the bill is sponsored by 58 Democrats and 1 Republicans. Is it a usual practice to describe such bills as bipartisan?

The goal of the bill is bipartisan support. What makes the bill bipartisan is it does not attempt to grow government by creating new tax revenues, or regulations. Instead of increasing tax revenue the carbon fee is paid directly to the tax payer. Instead of additional regulations the gradually increasing fee incentivizes industry to reduce their use of fossil fuels.

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Post by SilasX »

abootstrapper wrote: post #55
sanxiyn wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not familiar with US politics, but looking at your link, the bill is sponsored by 58 Democrats and 1 Republicans. Is it a usual practice to describe such bills as bipartisan?

The goal of the bill is bipartisan support. What makes the bill bipartisan is it does not attempt to grow government by creating new tax revenues, or regulations. Instead of increasing tax revenue the carbon fee is paid directly to the tax payer. Instead of additional regulations the gradually increasing fee incentivizes industry to reduce their use of fossil fuels.

It seems it would have a better claim to being bipartisan if the higher taxes on carbon fuels came with a relaxation of efficiency regulations rather than just adding on top.

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Post by HocusLocus »

teslabox wrote: post #10

July is hotter than January, even though the planet is closer to the sun in January, because there is more land in the northern hemisphere than the Southern Hemisphere. There was a submission ~3 months ago regarding this phenomenon: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20012565 I’m certain there’s a submarine agenda behind most of these “hottest month EVAR” stories. /methinks it’d be much more productive to focus on…

I'm beginning to see HN's gimmick of greying things out as childish and annoying. Show some simple and visible unpopularity flag and leave the text alone.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgBlNyZiV_g

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Post by RandomTisk »

evan_ wrote: post #106
sanxiyn wrote: post #33

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I am not familiar with US politics, but looking at your link, the bill is sponsored by 58 Democrats and 1 Republicans. Is it a usual practice to describe such bills as bipartisan?

Where we are at in the US is that TODAY dozens of right-wing, White-supremacist supporters of the president have traveled to a town they believe is not supportive enough of his politics and have openly declared that they are going to assault people on the streets, and the President has responded by offering an oblique blessing. There’s no such thing as bipartisan.

Reality, meet thy opposite.

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Post by pavs »

slfnflctd wrote: post #111
pavs wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, quality Veggie burgers have been a thing for almost a decade now. With major fast-food chain and grocery stores are offering them. There are so many way to handle global warming issue, and yes individual contribution does matter, but the only way to move the needle in any meaningful way has to come from the top of the government and real actual meaningful policy and its implementation in a reasonable time. That…

Perhaps we should reduce government subsidies to beef producers and start giving them to lab meat and veggie burger producers? My biggest problem with plant-based meat & cheese analogs at this point is that they cost more. It shouldn't take too much tweaking to at least bring them to parity.

We can't, only government can and they won't Meet/farming industry is quite big and employs a lot of people not to mention the industry lobbying is strong. Going against them is political suicide.

The problem of global warming is not a technical problem or a problem that is not solvable or daunting. It's a Human problem, a combination of greed, complacency, and the daunting task of making massive lifestyle and business change all across the world to come into agreement and work together and make massive compromise.

The chances of this happening is zero.

There will be changes, and people should be lauded for their effort, but its too little too late.

Reminds me of one of my favorite scene from "The Newsroom" TV Series. Maybe a bit too drammatic, but the gist is true. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NyULP9rk-iM

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Post by zmmmmm »

briantakita wrote: post #92
zmmmmm wrote: post #72

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Hmm, who shall I believe the official publication from NOAA [1] that states in the title July was the hottest month? Or a reintrepretation of their data posted on YouTube by a notorious and discredited climate denier [2]. [1] https://www.noaa.gov/news/july-2019-was-hottest-month-on-rec... [2] https://tonyhellerakastevengoddard.com/who-is-tony-heller/

> [2] https://tonyhellerakastevengoddard.com/who-is-tony-heller/ So website that is an vitriol-ridden ad hominem attack discredits his usage of source news articles, data analysis, graphs, & logic? None of his arguments are addressed...

> None of his arguments are addressed...

It is so much easier to make up lies than it is to disprove them that at some point, yes, you do have to rely on people's reputation before you start investing huge effort into disproving their statements.

So yes, if you can easily show someone is a crackpot, liar or heavily motivated by a bias that is likely to make them unreliable, prove that and move on.

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Post by jfnixon »

skosch wrote: post #49
sanxiyn wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not familiar with US politics, but looking at your link, the bill is sponsored by 58 Democrats and 1 Republicans. Is it a usual practice to describe such bills as bipartisan?

Good question. Republicans in particular need to worry about primary challenges in their science-illiterate districts, and many may be wary of attaching their name to this directly. But there are a good handful of deep red congresspeople who are happy to discuss policy details around carbon pricing, even if they can't politically afford cosponsorship [0]. I imagine that several of those may be willing to vote for suc…

Republicans aren't science-illiterate. Spreading that myth is a great way to have people immediately tune out from listening to your remaining arguments.

https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2019/03/28/what-american...

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