The most frequent 777 characters give 90% coverage of Kanji in the wild
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The most frequent 777 characters give 90% coverage of Kanji in the wild
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Re: The most frequent 777 characters give 90% coverage of Kanji in the wild
#2now do mandarin please :)
Re: The most frequent 777 characters give 90% coverage of Kanji in the wild
#3An interesting assertion, but the article is both vacuous and confusing. It doesn’t link to the underlying study, combines what one tends to think of as kanji (single characters) with more complex juku-kanji (multiple characters) with straight up whole dictionary words. Some of those words are presented with English definitions to the side, but most aren’t. Some of the kanji are presented with pronunciations, but most aren’t. There’s no support for the thesis statement.
I have no particular reason to disbelieve the headline, it sounds reasonable enough, but this page in specific is doing nothing to persuade me of its main point.
Re: The most frequent 777 characters give 90% coverage of Kanji in the wild
#4Yes, I have been studying Chinese for about five years now and I can recognize about 2700 characters. Looking at this Japanese character set, I'm guessing I know 80% or so. I always act like charts like this.
Re: The most frequent 777 characters give 90% coverage of Kanji in the wild
#5Zipf’s law
Re: The most frequent 777 characters give 90% coverage of Kanji in the wild
#6The thing is, 90% coverage is not that great. What happens is that you understand common words that make up for a lot of structure, but when an uncommon word appears it's probably important to the sentence. For example, "son, if you go to the plumbf tomorrow morning don't forget to pick up some zlonks."
98% is closer to what you need in order to read a text and have an idea of what's going on. See this article:
https://www.sinosplice.com/life/archives/2016/08/25/what-80-...
Re: The most frequent 777 characters give 90% coverage of Kanji in the wild
#7Vocabulary frequency lists have long been very popular with publishers, so I assume as well with language learners. The assumption behind these is that with knowledge of, say, 90% of the vocabulary you encounter, you will comprehend 90% of the writings you encounter. It doesn't work out at all that way, though, because it is generally the low frequency vocabulary that carries the key information in a text and on which the interpretation of everything else hinges.
Re: The most frequent 777 characters give 90% coverage of Kanji in the wild
#8I thought the number of standard kanji was only about 1900 to begin with.
Re: The most frequent 777 characters give 90% coverage of Kanji in the wild
#9An interesting assertion, but the article is both vacuous and confusing. It doesn’t link to the underlying study, combines what one tends to think of as kanji (single characters) with more complex juku-kanji (multiple characters) with straight up whole dictionary words. Some of those words are presented with English definitions to the side, but most aren’t. Some of the kanji are presented with pronunciations, but mos…
A Japanese Logographic Frequency List (2000) Chikamatsu et. al
https://researchmap.jp/YOKOYAMA_Shoichi/%E8%B3%87%E6%96%99%E...
Re: The most frequent 777 characters give 90% coverage of Kanji in the wild
#10The thing is, 90% coverage is not that great. What happens is that you understand common words that make up for a lot of structure, but when an uncommon word appears it's probably important to the sentence. For example, "son, if you go to the plumbf tomorrow morning don't forget to pick up some zlonks." 98% is closer to what you need in order to read a text and have an idea of what's going on. See this article: https…
'Tosche Station' and 'power converters' obviously - see 90% is all I need!