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Launch HN: SannTek (YC S19) – Breathalyzer for Cannabis

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Re: Launch HN: SannTek (YC S19) – Breathalyzer for Cannabis

#122

So many naysayers here, many of which probably aren't sharing the road with cannabis consuming drivers in a region where it is 100% legal like here in Canada. I've consumed it many times, and I know how impaired I'd be behind the wheel. It terrifies me to think of all the idiots who are probably out there driving while stoned, pretending they're "perfectly fine." EDIT: cool, these guys are around the corner from wher…

It's legal where I live and the drivers on the road have not changed significantly. For those opposed to legal cannabis use, it's easy to blame any traffic infraction on cannabis. I don't think we have data available that backs up that hypothesis. In areas where cannabis has been legalized for recreational use, the incidence of traffic accidents has remained the same. https://www.nber.org/papers/w24417

there's plenty of literature proving that individual drivers are worse when they're high. check ramaekers' publications.

maybe you can hypothesize some weird situation where individual drivers are worse, but overall traffic is unaffected. but individual users should still want to avoid driving high, as lower overall traffic deaths will not make you feel better about accidentally killing someone.

Re: Launch HN: SannTek (YC S19) – Breathalyzer for Cannabis

#123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except your defensive "war on drugs" reaction is not really applicable here, as this product is being developed in the context of an environment where cannabis consumption is 100% legal (Canada).

Actually it's still applicable regardless of legality... that doesn't change police profiling and would still adversely affect minority groups. So instead of more people of color getting arrested for marijuana possession they get arrested for marijuana dui

Racial profiling is still applicable/relevant in another form, yes. But that's a different thing from 'war on drugs' per se.

Legalization has taken away the police's ability to target for consumption, and removed their ability to ruin people's lives for it. That's huge. And the gov't will now be providing a way for people to strike old possession crimes from their record, apparently.

Re: Launch HN: SannTek (YC S19) – Breathalyzer for Cannabis

#124
post #16

The war on drugs has ruined literally millions of lives: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs#Arrests_and_incarcer... with all due respect, I hope you fail miserably.

This is not about the war on drugs, this is about making roads safer. Driving under the influence is illegal whether the influencing drug is legal or not.

>this is about making roads safer.

It doesn't even have to be about roads, "Hey Gary, Bob needs to do some shirt laundry if you know what I mean"

Steve: "Bob, can you come see me in my office please"

has general conversation with Bob about performance and the local Sportsball team, determines he thinks Bob is high

Steve: "Bob, before I let you go back out there on the assembly line operating that dangerous equipment, I'm sorry but I'm going to have to ask you to blow into this device. You smell like you've been out there dabbing for an hour straight and I asked you what you thought about last night's Sportsball game and you just smiled and nodded for a solid 5 seconds before asking what we were talking about".

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It can also be used in prisons/jails that have work release programs, where residents are released during the day to work leading up to their release and have to come back in the evening. They already do breathalyzer and random urinalysis on these folks.

Similarly parole officers could benefit from this.

Hospitals could also use it to determine if a patient is under the influence of THC instead of something else that may cause complications with their treatment in the ER and if this can be used for THC I suspect it could have other recreational drug applications too which again, will benefit treatment in the ER when patients aren't always willing to volunteer what they are on for fear of legal implications.

Re: Launch HN: SannTek (YC S19) – Breathalyzer for Cannabis

#126

Is someone driving high dangerous?

no shortage of toxicology literature proving it. check ramaekers' publications. he sticks high folks in real cars on closed tracks to see how they do.

Gonna need a source for that, very interested. DDG gave me nothing

Re: Launch HN: SannTek (YC S19) – Breathalyzer for Cannabis

#127
post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As is driving unimpaired. https://www.stripes.com/us-army-soldier-three-others-serious...

Yes, automobiles are very dangerous and it'd be great if we used them a lot less. That said, driving impaired is even more dangerous and I'm totally fine with tools to crack down on it. Smoke or drink all you want, but do it at home or with someone to give you a ride.

Oh I agree with you, I just think linking to an example of a teenager who was late getting home and got into an accident when he had been smoking marijuana earlier as if it were supporting evidence makes our position look cheesy.

Re: Launch HN: SannTek (YC S19) – Breathalyzer for Cannabis

#128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would actually be an easy technical solution, if laws could be passed to allow it. Basically a driving simulator with a handful of reasonable surprises. If you avoid them you’re declared not impaired.

Any reasonable device of this kind would fail a nonzero perccentage of sober drivers and pass a nonzero percentage of intoxicated drivers. And not just because of noise -- some people drive worse sober than others do high. So don't hold your breath waiting for laws to allow it.

I thought about this a bit, and here's how I imagine it would work (based on how my state works currently):

1. You turn 16. You drive on the simulator - if you pass, you do a real drive with a human tester.

2. In 5 years when you renew your license, you go on the simulator again. If you pass, you get to renew your license. No human-in-car test required.

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The advantages:

- This covers things we can't currently test for:

  - Marijuana
  - Spice and unknown drugs
  - Sleep deprivation
  - Deterioration due to age (afraid to bring this up, but it's an issue)
- It's exact - there is no interpretation by a person.

- It's an actual impairment/ability test. Rather than putting a number on how much {x} you consumed - it measures what matters.

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For accessibility issues, traditional driving tests (and blood tests for impairment) would have to be used. If your vision doesn't allow you to test on the simulator - you take a physical driving test with a person. Simulator tests can't be used for impairment.

Other interesting ideas:

- Insurance rates based on your score in the simulator (not sure if this would be fair, or could be abused - but thought it was an interesting idea).

- We could have data for how your driving ability degrades with age.

- It should maybe be codified that equipment changes (new simulators, etc.) are not allowed between a test and impairment test. So the state would need to keep old equipment around for 5 years for migration.

> Any reasonable device of this kind would fail a nonzero perccentage of sober drivers and pass a nonzero percentage of intoxicated drivers. And not just because of noise -- some people drive worse sober than others do high. So don't hold your breath waiting for laws to allow it.

Yeah I agree that people will take issue with that. I personally don't care what someone did 15 minutes before getting into their car, so long as they can safely drive.

Anyway, I thought this was fun to think about. It seems like a really nice solution. I'd love to hear some more reasons why it wouldn't work!

Re: Launch HN: SannTek (YC S19) – Breathalyzer for Cannabis

#129
Given there are countless substances that are hard/impossible to test for that could affect someone's ability to drive, the solution to this issue seems not to invent a new device for each substance but to come up with a more generalized test to measure someones level of impairment — reaction times are a good proxy.
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