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The subversive messages hidden in The Wizard of Oz

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Re: The subversive messages hidden in The Wizard of Oz

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This kind of thing is why I love that JRR Tolkien spent a whole introduction page lambasting people who read too much into symbolism in books and stating explicitly that Lord of the Rings was written as an exercise in long-form storytelling with no hidden meaning.

That just sounds like a (very) elaborate troll. Write a three part book stuffed full of symbolism and then write an essay complaining how people read into the symbolism.

And surely what the reader sees in a work is at least as valid as what the author intended. If I see Mordor as Stalinist Russia, isnt that my prerogative? Its selling the art form short if the only possible interpretation is the authors own. /rant (against a dead guy)

Re: The subversive messages hidden in The Wizard of Oz

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From "Debt, The First 5000 years": L. Frank Baum’s book The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, which appeared in 1900, is widely recognized to be a parable for the Populist campaign of William Jennings Bryan, who twice ran for president on the Free Silver platform – vowing to replace the gold standard with a bimetallic system that would allow the free creation of silver money alongside gold. … [O]ne of the main constituencies f…

If anyone hasn't read the book... It seriously is one of the best kids books ever written. It's short. You can read it in like 2 hours or less. It will take you right back to childhood. 100% worth it. Cannot recommend it enough.

I have to second this. While overshadowed by the first, all of the Oz books by L. Frank Baum are excellent reads full of imagination and compelling characters.

Re: The subversive messages hidden in The Wizard of Oz

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How far we've drifted as a nation. People then seemed to realize the danger of fiat money, yet The Federal Reserve Act was passed by Congress and signed into law by President Woodrow Wilson on December 23, 1913, when most lawmakers had already left the Capital for their home states -- and it passed on a simple majority of those present vote. The Federal Reserve (a cabal of international banks that is not part of the…

> Even though the constitution still describes > the value of a dollar as a specific weight of > gold, like most other things in that document > it is ignored. Citation needed. Article 1, Section 10 is the only place I can recall saying anything about gold: No State shall enter into any Treaty, Alliance, or Confederation; grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal; coin Money; emit Bills of Credit; make any Thing but gold…

It can. I think Utah and North Carolina allow it today.

You can make a contract denominated in gold in those states, and I believe that the state won't levy capital gains taxes on Gold or Silver.

Re: The subversive messages hidden in The Wizard of Oz

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If you follow up this claim even very superficially you'll find it's not really 'widely recognized' but rather the oft-mentioned, curious theory of one person.

I thought this interpretation was pretty widely recognized. I had encountered it before I read Graeber's Debt. (Don't remember where. It had been years earlier.) His treatment was just a recap of what I already knew or at least was familiar with.

There’s a Wikipedia link downthread, the one person in question is not the author of ‘Debt’

Re: The subversive messages hidden in The Wizard of Oz

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How does all of this connect with The Dark Side Of The Moon?

Watch Wizard of Oz with the sound off. Just as the MGM lion finishes roaring, drop the needle[1] onto the Dark Side of the Moon LP, and watch as the songs sync up to the imagery. -- [1] Or un-pause the CD/MP3 etc.

"Pink Floyd band members have repeatedly said that the reputed phenomenon is coincidence"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Side_of_the_Rainbow

Re: The subversive messages hidden in The Wizard of Oz

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"Oz-tray-lee-ah" Edited to reflect a pronunciation, not necessarily a correct or accurate one, from which it's easy to derive 'oz'.

Nobody says it with a z sound, always an s.

Voicing s as /z/ is widely variational. For example, I voice the s in "us", and "Muslim", while others don't. While I don't voice the s in Australia (/ɒ.ˈstreɪ̯.li.jə/ ~ /ə.ˈstreɪ̯.li.jə/), I do in Oslo (pronouncing it /ˈɒz.loʊ̯/).

Re: The subversive messages hidden in The Wizard of Oz

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> President John F. Kennedy voiced support for returning America to the Gold Standard. He was assassinated soon after. He also voiced a million other things that you might as well pin his assassination on, if you're so willing to jump to conclusions.

The Netflix movie The Irishman is about a labor union organizer/mob hitman [1] who claims to have assisted in JFKs assassination at the behest of the mob/ Jimmy Hoffa. You can literally spin a wheel of different motivations for groups who wanted JFK dead and they all have their own convincing reasons. Except hackjack's little conspiracy here, which seems to be missing a final paragraph about why we need to switch to…

Frank Sheeran is widely thought to have made up pretty much everything in that book I wouldn't take his claims seriously at all.

Re: The subversive messages hidden in The Wizard of Oz

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From "Debt, The First 5000 years": L. Frank Baum’s book The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, which appeared in 1900, is widely recognized to be a parable for the Populist campaign of William Jennings Bryan, who twice ran for president on the Free Silver platform – vowing to replace the gold standard with a bimetallic system that would allow the free creation of silver money alongside gold. … [O]ne of the main constituencies f…

What does the good witch of the North represent?

Canada

Re: The subversive messages hidden in The Wizard of Oz

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post #57
post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Netflix movie The Irishman is about a labor union organizer/mob hitman [1] who claims to have assisted in JFKs assassination at the behest of the mob/ Jimmy Hoffa. You can literally spin a wheel of different motivations for groups who wanted JFK dead and they all have their own convincing reasons. Except hackjack's little conspiracy here, which seems to be missing a final paragraph about why we need to switch to…

Frank Sheeran is widely thought to have made up pretty much everything in that book I wouldn't take his claims seriously at all.

No worries, I don't. That's why I included it in my example of a fictional roulette wheel of reasons.

Re: The subversive messages hidden in The Wizard of Oz

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From "Debt, The First 5000 years": L. Frank Baum’s book The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, which appeared in 1900, is widely recognized to be a parable for the Populist campaign of William Jennings Bryan, who twice ran for president on the Free Silver platform – vowing to replace the gold standard with a bimetallic system that would allow the free creation of silver money alongside gold. … [O]ne of the main constituencies f…

About as reliable a theory as this part: >Apple Computers is a famous example: it was founded by (mostly Republican) computer engineers who broke from IBM in Silicon Valley in the 1980s, forming little democratic circles of twenty to forty people with their laptops in each other’s garages. https://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2012/02/gabriel-rosser-on-dav...

This book is on my reading list and that sentence is causing me to consider removing it.
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