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Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by mytailorisrich »

DanBC wrote: post #92
mytailorisrich wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Expectation of privacy in public places has never been a concept anywhere. Privacy and public space are simply contradicting terms.

> Expectation of privacy in public places has never been a concept anywhere. This is untrue. Naomi Campbell was in a public place, but courts found she had a reasonable expectation of privacy. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1461187/Naomi-Campbe... In England you can't just set up CCTV to monitor public space, you need to register that with the ICO.

Your link does not mention anything about her being in a public space, and it's difficult to comment on a specific case without knowing all the details.

In the UK there is no expectation of privacy in public places and anyone can film or take pictures in public. Case in point: the flourishing tabloid industry of celebrity pictures.

The ICO is about data protection. Even websites processing personal data must register with the ICO.

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by yostrovs »

vinay427 wrote: post #31
albertzeyer wrote: post #14

This is the first time I hear about the term "zeroth world". A quick Google search did bring up some results, but not much. Wikipedia does not seem to cover that. Of course it covers 1st/2nd/3rd world ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three-world_model , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_World , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_World , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World ). The terms "developed", "developin…

American living in Switzerland, and while I'd definitely agree that it's more developed than the US (on the continuum of development in my mind from also spending a lot of time in places most would consider "developing"), I'm just not sure there's a clear difference between some of those countries named and the US. Many European countries seem around where the US is; some are more developed, while others are probably…

Here on HN, how developed a country is is directly proportional to the quality of train service in that country. Other considerations are too marginal to matter.

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by Asooka »

TASMebWdhWc9NeA wrote: post #51

I am in Verona (Italy) at this time, and I'm in a hotel where some tourists from Shanghai happen to be as well. I'm alone, so I hang out in the lobby a lot. I just engaged in some small talk with some of those tourists, and the discussion somehow shifted to the Hong Kong protests. Basically what they sad is that western culture in Hong Kong clashes with the chinese culture. They don't seem to say that the chinese way…

Basically, Hong Kong has lost its roots after decades of British occupation and forceful western indoctrination. Hong Kong is China, there are no two opinions on that. The domestic terrorists currently raising hell are misguided and work against their cultural interest. I do not doubt there will be a massacre and many will die, but this will be good for China and good for global economy.

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by nailer »

TASMebWdhWc9NeA wrote: post #51

I am in Verona (Italy) at this time, and I'm in a hotel where some tourists from Shanghai happen to be as well. I'm alone, so I hang out in the lobby a lot. I just engaged in some small talk with some of those tourists, and the discussion somehow shifted to the Hong Kong protests. Basically what they sad is that western culture in Hong Kong clashes with the chinese culture. They don't seem to say that the chinese way…

> Hong Kong has to accept that they are Chinese now, and accept all the consequences that come with that.

HKs independence was agreed to by the PRC as part of the handover.

The PRC must accept there are two systems.

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by throwaway1997 »

woutr_be wrote: post #49
kerng wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When nearly half the population participates, I dont think you need much ID'ing.

There's over 7 million people in HK, at the largest protest, they estimated around 2 million took part, so not even half. During most protests, that number is significantly lower.

2 million turned up. Now how many support the protests and were unable to/didn't want to turn up to protests? Many people are very old, work on Sundays, wouldn't be allowed by their parents (people typically live with their parents into their thirties here). You can probably double that figure.

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by smallnamespace »

spyckie2 wrote: post #19

This piece is quite accurate - it really makes you feel like you're in Hong Kong during the protests. References aside, as a US citizen in Hong Kong there are some things that I respect immensely and some things that really get on my nerves about HK. I greatly respect the people and the cause. It reminds me of that one poem - > Do not go gentle into that good night. > Rage, rage against the dying of the light. The pe…

This is a silly analysis because the conflict is fundamental. China wants to integrate Hong Kong. The protestors want independence. Neither side really wants an indefinite half-hearted autonomy, although the protestors are pushing to preserve it for as long as possible.

Your very reaction shows where your sympathies lie, which is very laudable, but are you willing to engage in 'conflict resolution' over your own core values, e.g. to give up some amount of democracy or independence? If not, then talk is simply window dressing, or an opportunity to spread your message.

Both sides here realize there is no true basis for negotiating, hence why they don't.

In fact, negotiation at all by Beijing would be a concession: it would legitimize the protests and give protestors a formal seat at the table. You may disagree with that starting point, but let's admit that negotiations themselves are not a neutral act devoid of consequence, hence why actual diplomats spend enormous amounts of time discussing the agenda to be discussed in formal settings: what gets talked about and by whom matters.

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by throwaway1997 »

odiroot wrote: post #40

> “It’s okay,” I tell them. “This is normal. I’m not dying—I’m Polish.” They edge away. Funnily enough, myself being Polish, I found HK climate much more preferable than the Central European. I dread every end of summer; every winter kills my energy and work performance a bit more.

Even us locals suffer during the summer. It easily reached 35C with up to 90% humidity.

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by stringyham »

hrktb wrote: post #82
stringyham wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> During Paris protest earlier this year the gov would just shut down public transports for about 5~10 km around 10km is nearly Paris' width so I'd say that's a bit much. If I remember correctly, they closed the main stations around the protests but not much more.

You are right, and checked back, La Defense -> Chatelet is 9.4km (that's the two RER stations left open after shutting down CDG Etoile and Auber. And they basically shut down anything between these stations) They shut down 36 stations in total at the peak of the demos: https://www.lavoixdunord.fr/502926/article/2018-12-07/la-rat...

My bad, didn't realise there were so many stations shut down.

I travelled without any hassles on those days so I assumed just a couple of main stations were closed.

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by xkgt »

TASMebWdhWc9NeA wrote: post #51

I am in Verona (Italy) at this time, and I'm in a hotel where some tourists from Shanghai happen to be as well. I'm alone, so I hang out in the lobby a lot. I just engaged in some small talk with some of those tourists, and the discussion somehow shifted to the Hong Kong protests. Basically what they sad is that western culture in Hong Kong clashes with the chinese culture. They don't seem to say that the chinese way…

//Basically what they sad is that western culture in Hong Kong clashes with the Chinese culture.

This is exactly a regurgitation of the propaganda by CCP. They blamed western influence, education and cultural whitewashing of HK Chinese as the reason for the current protests and their citizens believe it sincerely. They conveniently overlook the crux of the protest, which is to ask for universal suffrage.

Even for a well educated, widely traveled main-lander, it is difficult to come out of this conditioning. I have some friends from mainland, currently staying in HK, who sincerely believe the general public is too naive to be allowed to make any decision. With the right amount of conditioning, people can be led to believe in anything even if it is contrarian to their well-being.

Re: A Walk in Hong Kong

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Post by idlewords »

_petronius wrote: post #3
ETHisso2017 wrote: post #2

Hmm. I wonder how the protesters know who to trust in their Telegram groups and on LIHKG. There has to be a core of organizers, however anonymous they may appear to be. Is there a way to track metadata exhaust from telegram for building a social graph or xss lihkg? Could be a way to ID them.

This is some serious “too interested in seeing if you could, and not stopping to wonder if you should” content. What possible positives are there in exploring how to de-anonymize people whose life and freedom requires anonymity, and who are fighting the good fight?

Seriously, for real. Thank you for making this point.
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