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Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by soulofmischief »

Supermancho wrote: post #127
pjmlp wrote: post #112

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That is not voting with your wallet. Voting with your wallet would be not using anything from NVidia and Apple to start with, including the business opportunities it might entail.

> Voting with your wallet would be not using anything That's RMS thinking. If you don't mind, I'll expand on it. Voting with your wallet includes not paying into third party workarounds because their existence depends on the bad actors to exist (in some cases).

I have read literature from Stallman essentially supporting piracy of closed-source, proprietary products without saying it directly. This is more impactful in the software realm where you are not still giving hardware sales, but that is his stance.

However, I think NVIDIA is still leading the industry (AMD is catching up fast, but still lags behind) and I want to support their hardware development. However, I make it clear what kind of relationship I expect from them by virtualizing my Geforce instead of buying a Quadro. I also support open-source driver initiatives and abhor NVIDIA's practice of not releasing hardware schematics if they aren't going to open source the driver. It's a complicated issue.

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by soulofmischief »

NullPrefix wrote: post #108
soulofmischief wrote: post #92

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Well, it isn't okay for NVIDIA to try and charge me tens of thousands for a quadro card instead of just letting me virtualize my Geforce 1080. In fact, it's so not okay, that I don't play ball and I use hacks to get my 1080 support virtualization and pass-through. It's also not okay for Apple to restrict what hardware I can run their software with. I have run hackintoshes and OS X VMs. I voice my support and concern…

> In fact, it's so not okay, that I don't play ball and I use hacks to get my 1080 support virtualization and pass-through. In fact, it's so not okay, that I don't play ball and buy Radeon. Vote with your wallet.

As I mentioned in a sister comment, it's far more nuanced than that. NVIDIA makes the better card for the money, so they get my hardware sales. That's where it ends, however, as I do not partake in their ridiculous licensing scheme. If and when AMD finally catches up, I have no problem making the switch. That is voting with my wallet.

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by manigandham »

DannyB2 wrote: post #55
belltaco wrote: post #18

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Why is it okay for Nvidia to disable parts of a fully working chip in order to sell it as a more popular and cheaper part? Why is it okay for them to disable features in the PC vs Workstation drivers on the same hardware that you bought? Why is it okay for Apple to legally restrict OS X from running inside a VM or on a PC? Welcome to price differentiation.

> Why is it okay for . . . . It's not okay.

It's perfectly ok. There is no harm here. We do not need morality police for a voluntary business deal where you have complete freedom and choice to purchase a product.

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by pas »

ineedasername wrote: post #149
pas wrote: post #83

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Or... people will just pay a bit more to MS and stay on AWS. It's not like AWS and Windows are for the cost conscious.

That's why I put in the beginning "if you're not willing to take the price hit on the chin" caveat. Some will be willing to do so, and for good reason if they have workloads that really need windows and specific features of AWS. My point is simply that some people will abandon Windows, and I could be wrong but even if they have some revenue gain in the near term, losing a bit of market share is bad in the long term.

They already have a market share too big to effectively handle/serve.

MS will probably transform into a bit like Apple for enterprises.

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by vinay_ys »

ZeroBugBounce wrote: post #102
drucik wrote: post #91

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Because giving something more to the customer would not cost them anything. There used to be this belief that things are worth as much as the cost to produce them + some margin for the maker. And things were made so they will benefit their consumers. Unfortunately more and more companies these days look for ways to get not what something is worth but to get from consumers as much as possible, to squeeze them like lem…

It's a business decision which will make them more money. In Universe A they sell only the most powerful version of the product for 1x price and them make some money. In Universe B they sell the most powerful for 1x AND a slightly less powerful version for 0.9x price and they make MORE overall profit. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. There are customers who will want to pay less and not need the most powerful produ…

Exactly right. It is acceptable to argue that the pricing is too high and unfair. But to say the structure itself is wrong isn't correct.

Breaking up the total price of a product by it's component features and then creating variants of the sold product with certain features enabled vs disabled and hence having different total prices is one fair way of create products that are tailored to customers needs.

When pricing individual features, the prices may not correlate relative to each other. There may be factors like which features are most used by which segment of customers and how valuable the feature is to that segment customer and hence how much they are willing to pay.

Demanding that all the features should be sold at the lowest total cost doesn't make sense. We don't do this in any other domain.

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by manigandham »

ska wrote: post #130
nightski wrote: post #66

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Why is it obvious no MS DB? SQL Server runs on Linux.

> SQL Server runs on Linux. -ish, from what I've heard of colleagues struggling with it.

The core product runs the exactly same (thanks to the MSSQL PAL: platform abstraction layer).

Advanced features like the SQL agent and SSIS/SSAS/SSRS came later but the latest edition has pretty much reached parity across Windows and Linux.

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