Huawei Technicians Helped African Governments Spy on Political Opponents • Hacker News Board

Re: Huawei Technicians Helped African Governments Spy on Political Opponents

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Post by scanny » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 11:22 PM UTC

luckylion wrote: post #40

scanny wrote: post #23

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Well the difference here is that in a liberal democracy we can prevent that from happening if we wish. Unless we don't have a majority that is https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-vetoes-congres...

> Well the difference here is that in a liberal democracy we can prevent that from happening if we wish. Since it's been going on for a long time, you either cannot, or you don't want to.

By you do you mean 'I', or you as in 327 million individuals that make up the population of the United States? Do you think it's easy to convince a nations population to push for change, if it was then issues like climate change could be tackled overnight.

Democracy is a messy and flawed process, but it is the best we have. The fact still remains that no matter how much you bemoan the current state of affairs that there is a framework for changing things.

Re: Huawei Technicians Helped African Governments Spy on Political Opponents

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Post by DeonPenny » Thu, Aug 15, 2019, 11:45 PM UTC

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #68

DeonPenny wrote: post #58

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Theres a lot of evidence that they are state-owned. For example, a large number of board members being active in the CCP

That has nothing to do with being state-owned. Lots of people in China are in the party. China has SOEs. It has private companies. They operate quite differently from one another. Huawei operates like one of the latter, and legally, definitely is one of the latter.

The way you explain it makes it seem like we shouldn't trust any Chinese companies to be separate from the party so not sure what you were going for but it's had the opposite effect.

Re: Huawei Technicians Helped African Governments Spy on Political Opponents

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Post by DiogenesKynikos » Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 6:24 AM UTC

DeonPenny wrote: post #82

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #68

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That has nothing to do with being state-owned. Lots of people in China are in the party. China has SOEs. It has private companies. They operate quite differently from one another. Huawei operates like one of the latter, and legally, definitely is one of the latter.

The way you explain it makes it seem like we shouldn't trust any Chinese companies to be separate from the party so not sure what you were going for but it's had the opposite effect.

You shouldn't trust any company anywhere to be able to act entirely independently of the national intelligence apparatus. It's been established that many American tech companies cooperate with the NSA, for example.

But Huawei is a private company. It will probably have to comply if the Chinese state forces it to (just like American companies have to silently comply if handed a National Security Letter), but it's not an arm of the government.

Re: Huawei Technicians Helped African Governments Spy on Political Opponents

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Post by C1sc0cat » Fri, Aug 16, 2019, 9:05 AM UTC

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #67

C1sc0cat wrote: post #59

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That is what is some times called "Not readily believable" Huawei certainly isn't a worker coop as it claims.

The objection in the article is that the workers don't directly own shares. It's still a company in which workers vote and share in the profits. They just can't sell their stake on the market.

Still not a coop one member one vote is the rule