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Nest Cam status lights can no longer be turned off for privacy

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Re: Nest Cam status lights can no longer be turned off for privacy

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maybe im too much of a consumer, but I bought a pack of led dimming stickers like the ones linked below to cover all the status lights on my computers and such cause I hate led lights in my house at night. https://www.amazon.com/LightDims-Original-Strength-Electroni...

A black magic marker would work too.

Depends on how bright LED is

Re: Nest Cam status lights can no longer be turned off for privacy

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You really aren't using your imagination if you can't figure out potential uses for a hidden nanny cam. What if I want to see: * If my cleaning person is stealing? * If my cleaning person is using the right chemicals on my stove? * If the nanny is shaking the baby? * If my husband is having an affair? * If my teenager is doing drugs? * Which sibling actually started it / threw the first punch? Those are just off the…

> What if I want to see: If my cleaning person is stealing?* Use your camera. The status light doesn’t disable its ability to record and transmit video. You want to record these people without their knowledge. That is just wrong. More fundamentally, change the people you interact with or your relationships with them.

Wrong? Lol. It is my property. Obviously no one should surreptitiously record someone in an PRIVATE or INTIMATE moment, but in a free-space, in my house? That's fair game you dummy.

Re: Nest Cam status lights can no longer be turned off for privacy

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How about don't put Google surveillance cameras in your home? You don't "own" anything Google or Microsoft sells you. You are licensing their tech and you are their bitch when they decide to pull the rug out from under you. People tolerate such abusive, anti-consumer behavior and invasion of privacy all in the name of convenience. In any relationship people have an ethical responsibility to not enable abusive behavio…

Don't forget Amazon's Ring cameras!

Re: Nest Cam status lights can no longer be turned off for privacy

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The privacy of whom? Google seems to favoring the privacy of those who might be recorded by the camera. The owners of the cameras object. I'm not entirely sure why: do they expect privacy while recording others?

Most people live with others in the same home, and more than one person can "own" a camera. Sometimes when no one else is home, privacy is expected of an otherwise shared space. I imagine in those circumstances, it can be comforting to know that the camera is actually off when you want it to be.

Re: Nest Cam status lights can no longer be turned off for privacy

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I'm pissed because the whole point of an outdoor camera is to not advertise when someone is watching. If they don't back pedal on this I'm switching to ubiquity and running my own NVR so I don't have to worry about someone in california deciding to change how a product I own works.

>> is to not advertise when someone is watching.

Are you doing a Ph.D in social sciences?

Re: Nest Cam status lights can no longer be turned off for privacy

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The privacy of whom? Google seems to favoring the privacy of those who might be recorded by the camera. The owners of the cameras object. I'm not entirely sure why: do they expect privacy while recording others?

You really aren't using your imagination if you can't figure out potential uses for a hidden nanny cam. What if I want to see: * If my cleaning person is stealing? * If my cleaning person is using the right chemicals on my stove? * If the nanny is shaking the baby? * If my husband is having an affair? * If my teenager is doing drugs? * Which sibling actually started it / threw the first punch? Those are just off the…

Are you filming a reality show that depends on catching a cleaning person stealing, using the wrong chemicals, etc?

Or is the point to ensure your cleaning person is not stealing, using the wrong chemicals, etc?

The lights boost the purpose of deterrence, while making it harder to unethically record people. That's the point.

I would never have a Google-made camera in my house, and I really dislike defending them, but people who want a hidden cam need to hit up the nearest spy shop. Nest cams are for security, not "gotchas," and the always-on light serves security well.

Re: Nest Cam status lights can no longer be turned off for privacy

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How about don't put Google surveillance cameras in your home? You don't "own" anything Google or Microsoft sells you. You are licensing their tech and you are their bitch when they decide to pull the rug out from under you. People tolerate such abusive, anti-consumer behavior and invasion of privacy all in the name of convenience. In any relationship people have an ethical responsibility to not enable abusive behavio…

Even on a lighter note, I'm getting more and more frustrated at cloud device providers changing features on a whim. For example, I own Nest products that I bought to integrated into my 'smart home'. Now Google is ripping out the API for Nest products and making us use Google Assistant. Google Assistant is repeatedly changing behaviors and breaking my workflow.

I understand I'm a tiny segment of the market, but it's hard not to want to switch over to fully owned, open source alternatives. Any suggestions?

Re: Nest Cam status lights can no longer be turned off for privacy

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The privacy of whom? Google seems to favoring the privacy of those who might be recorded by the camera. The owners of the cameras object. I'm not entirely sure why: do they expect privacy while recording others?

Which to me is saying that a burglar's right to know he's being recorded outweighs the property owner's right to catch burglars.

I don't really think the former should ever outweigh the latter.

Re: Nest Cam status lights can no longer be turned off for privacy

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>As it turns out, many people use these security cams to secure their homes and don't want thieves to know that they're being watched I don't get this argument. The whole reason the fake security camera market exists is to deter crime by giving the illusion of being actively watched; if you want to play spy and switch it off to prove a person's true nature it is your business, but at the end of the day the crime has…

The camera inside my building is not for deterrence - the burglar is already inside at this point and will not be deterred. Either way, as you note, my stuff is gone. If their attention is drawn to an internal security camera by a light, then they may disable it or otherwise take extra steps to conceal themselves or avoid the camera. If they do not notice the camera, I may get better/more footage for identification purposes.

Re: Nest Cam status lights can no longer be turned off for privacy

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How about don't put Google surveillance cameras in your home? You don't "own" anything Google or Microsoft sells you. You are licensing their tech and you are their bitch when they decide to pull the rug out from under you. People tolerate such abusive, anti-consumer behavior and invasion of privacy all in the name of convenience. In any relationship people have an ethical responsibility to not enable abusive behavio…

I talked to someone yesterday who didn't trust Amazon enough to use an Alexa device after the recent audio recording publicity. Imagine their surprise when I let them know who owns their Ring doorbells and security cameras.

To be fair, Amazon only recently bought Ring (early 2018), and I recall the products being quite popular even before Amazon's acquisition. So really it may be the case of someone actively choosing not to buy a FAANG product, only to be sucked in later by Amazon's blackhole.
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