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Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by saagarjha »

sbmthakur wrote: post #241
saagarjha wrote: post #3

Shutting down the internet in an effort to "keep the peace" is really dystopian: how do Indian citizens stand for it?

I don't think you are aware about Kashmir's situation prior to the abrogation of the article. Stone-pelting(sponsored by seperatists) and murder of civilians by terrorists were common. There is also significant amount of Pakistan-backed propaganda in the valley. Pakistanis have already flooded the internet with photos/videos from Syria, Palestine etc. and are claiming them to be from Kashmir. Considering this, what d…

> I don't think you are aware about Kashmir's situation prior to the abrogation of the article.

I'm no expert, of course, but I am generally aware of some of the issues in the region (disclaimer: I may not be a neutral source–none of my family members are Pakistani). I'm still of the opinion that shutting down the internet is a government overreach.

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Post by selimthegrim »

vakataka wrote: post #265
iamshs wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because it is wastage of taxpayer money on religious purposes, and despite your propaganda Hindus get 10 times more share of the pilgrimage subsidies.

Ideally the state shouldn't spend a rupee on any religious subject. But the Indian law allows the government to take the revenue from Hindu institutions while minority institutions are exempt. If we are to accept your point, the government shouldn't take the profits from the Temples either. You just don't seem to see this at all.

Haj subsidy is history. Why are you still harping on it? (And by the way, it went to Air India tickets at inflated prices). If this money actually gets spent on Muslim girls' education now like government claims I will feed Najma Heptulla and Modi laddus myself. I also agree that government should not take money from temples without temple boards' consent.

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Post by selimthegrim »

vakataka wrote: post #214
iamshs wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So why did you bring up subsidy as an argument for Muslims? Was that not a strawman? Every single thing I said in this thread can be googled. Nothing in here is my opinion by an established fact. And facts can hurt because they ain't easy to counter. So go Google it, I ain't doing your homework for you.

I can say the same thing and just dismiss all your points. You are creating false equivalence between Hajj and amarnath. The Indian government controls all Hindu temples and derives revenue. So what is the problem in subsidizing these when the profit from these sites is used up within the country? On the other hand, Hajj spending goes out of the country and is a dead investment. And mind you, only Hindu institutions…

Aligarh has to abide by reservations and you're saying none of the minority institutions are touched?

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by selimthegrim »

eklavya wrote: post #218
iamshs wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rohingyas are genuine refugees that have been oppressed. That bill codifies that Muslims cannot be oppressed, which is a patently false observation that a supposedly secular country should not have to resolve to.

That would sure seem to be the case unless you see from where refugees are allowed. They are not allowed from all over the world, only areas dealing with partition or Indian history.

My family is Ahmedi. We left India in 1947. Pakistan stripped us of our right to vote in 1974-84. I guess we can't be oppressed there, chief. Congratulations on your airtight logic.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by amalag »

unmole wrote: post #156
amalag wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is BS. Pakistani jihadis are not overcome with any kind words. The isolation of Kashmir was the problem and the government has taken the solution that the majority of the country agrees with. The only people complaining are English language media who Modi has never cared about.

Does majority of the state agree with the decision?

If the majority of the state wants Sharia law, that will still not happen. India is a country of 1.3 billion with at least 10 different languages. There are so many sub cultures in India that the people of India do not think a few Kashmiri separatists deserve independence. It will never happen.

The state is called Jammu and Kashmir and it is part of India's cultural heritage. Integration efforts may take time, but the alternatives are not an option for India. There are many pockets of Muslim majority around India, Kashmir will be no different. Despite the border with Pakistan.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by vakataka »

selimthegrim wrote: post #272
vakataka wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ideally the state shouldn't spend a rupee on any religious subject. But the Indian law allows the government to take the revenue from Hindu institutions while minority institutions are exempt. If we are to accept your point, the government shouldn't take the profits from the Temples either. You just don't seem to see this at all.

Haj subsidy is history. Why are you still harping on it? (And by the way, it went to Air India tickets at inflated prices). If this money actually gets spent on Muslim girls' education now like government claims I will feed Najma Heptulla and Modi laddus myself. I also agree that government should not take money from temples without temple boards' consent.

Haj subsidy is not history. It is targetted to be removed by 2022. I was harping on it because the other commenter cherry picked it and it is good to have discussions on matters that are usually brushed under the carpet. I am glad that you at least partially agree with me on unfair govt policies.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by vakataka »

selimthegrim wrote: post #273
vakataka wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can say the same thing and just dismiss all your points. You are creating false equivalence between Hajj and amarnath. The Indian government controls all Hindu temples and derives revenue. So what is the problem in subsidizing these when the profit from these sites is used up within the country? On the other hand, Hajj spending goes out of the country and is a dead investment. And mind you, only Hindu institutions…

Aligarh has to abide by reservations and you're saying none of the minority institutions are touched?

AMU is a public central university. My argument is specifically about places of worship. Educational institutions are an entirely different discussion.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by cmonnow »

sifar wrote: post #267
sbmthakur wrote: post #241

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think you are aware about Kashmir's situation prior to the abrogation of the article. Stone-pelting(sponsored by seperatists) and murder of civilians by terrorists were common. There is also significant amount of Pakistan-backed propaganda in the valley. Pakistanis have already flooded the internet with photos/videos from Syria, Palestine etc. and are claiming them to be from Kashmir. Considering this, what d…

You cannot have peace by coercion. Period. It will either be an illusion or delusion.

Heard of https://peacekeeping.un.org/en ?

The only people complaining about it are the ones who aren't benefited by it.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by cmonnow »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #6
saagarjha wrote: post #3

Shutting down the internet in an effort to "keep the peace" is really dystopian: how do Indian citizens stand for it?

Majority support annexing of the region

Kashmir is already part of India, since 1947. No question of 'annexing'. It was given 'special' privileges, which lead to nothing for 70 years. Now they were revoked.

Imagine if Florida had special privileges like No Federal Tax , and yet continued to remain a s*ithole like, say Missisippi? How would other states take it?

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