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Post by BeetleB »

ahelwer wrote: post #190
BeetleB wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>are you a robot, did they make a bunch of ai to lie for them instead of helping real workers Talking to a real human this way is not reasonable. Nor is it an argument. >how much are you compensated per tweet like this This is like the question "Have you stopped beating your wife?" When the assumption of malintent/guilt is there from the start, you're setting yourself up for a very unreasonable conversation. >so they…

It isn't false that they're paid to tweet. One of the Amazon borg replies they tweet for two days (at $15/hour) then work in the warehouse for two days.

>It isn't false that they're paid to tweet.

Which is not the allegation being made.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by rrix2 »

michaelbuckbee wrote: post #33
dx87 wrote: post #21

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That could also be interpreted as a response to the people who talk about the warehouse workers like they're slave labor with zero rights. It's like saying "Believe it or not, we actually have an open door policy and can talk to our managers if there are any issues."

The past reports on Amazon warehouses call out how strict and automated the management is: that the local managers don't have the authority to really do much in the way of providing flexibility (or humanity) to people.

Some people I know in AWS say that about their managers too

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by TheBranca18 »

iNate2000 wrote: post #217
TheBranca18 wrote: post #191

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The media absolutely pushes an agenda, they are paid to do so. Not many would question that. The difference is, reporting on these things is their job and Amazon is treating their employees like trash. You have to be purposefully ignorant to miss this stuff. It's everywhere! Last Week Tonight broke it down pretty well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d9m7d07k22A . The fact you think your anecdotal evidence means anyt…

I seem to remember that "Last Week Tonight" said that Amazon wasn't as bad, it was the outsourcing companies that were far worse.

You are remembering correctly. But it also pointed out that Amazon sets the standard in the industry and just because they're not the worst doesn't mean they shouldn't get better.

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by Izkata »

jmkni wrote: post #42
mcintyre1994 wrote: post #26

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You might be hitting a twitter bug or having an issue with their slightly weird phased loading, the top message I get is from 'Amazon News': > Come take a free tour at an Amazon fulfillment center and see what our warehouses are really like. Check out the locations and reserve your spot online. #AmazonFCTours Then Diane replies to that and the back-and-forth with Amazon employees begins.

I got the same as treerock , the news article posted elsewhere in this thread is useful for context

I got the actual start, but there's some scrolljacking going on: it took significantly longer to reach the top than it did to go back down to the "borg" tweet. Maybe you did hit the real top, then were immediately bounced back down?

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by ahelwer »

BeetleB wrote: post #231
ahelwer wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't false that they're paid to tweet. One of the Amazon borg replies they tweet for two days (at $15/hour) then work in the warehouse for two days.

>It isn't false that they're paid to tweet. Which is not the allegation being made.

Put some effort in then, because I have no idea what hair you're trying to split.

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Post by duxup »

EugeneOZ wrote: post #230
duxup wrote: post #125

I feel like this is twitter in a nutshell, and that goes for everyone involved. The very first response is "eally like? cause your workers are liars?" There we go, now the entire conversation is everything or nothing, you're either with them or against them. Then it's off into personal attacks and arguments about followers and etc. Nobody is talking to each other in any of that. They're just posting for everyone else…

You need to train your skill of critical perception of information. They are really paid accounts and you still think it's ok to "talk" to them. You better read whole thread, not just first tweet.

I read the whole thread.

I was commenting on twitter as a medium.

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

nemothekid wrote: post #211
leftyted wrote: post #44

I doubt these are bots. One of them says: > I don't get compensated per tweet. I get paid $15/hr whether I am answering tweets or out on the floor stowing. I do this 2 days a week and 2 days a week I stow. While I think it's weird that Amazon is doing this, I also doubt that the warehouse jobs are bad jobs. I've done manual labor for less than $15/hr and I'd much rather have a job like that than, say, a job in a rest…

I wouldn’t take the term “Bot” literally - here it’s meant in the same vein as a “Russian troll” or more clearly an astroturfer. I think many of the people who find fault with rulesobeyer don’t use Twitter. The ambassadors are comoletely robotic in the way they use Twitter - they don’t come across as people, they come across as corporate accounts. Even developer advocates aren’t this robotic. I feel like I’m looking…

I insist on taking those terms literally, and you should too. Public discourse isn't going to work if "bot" and "Russian troll" become synonyms for "I don't believe what you're saying and don't think you do either".

Re: I feel like im talking to the borg

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Post by [deleted] »

inanutshellus wrote: post #32
pjc50 wrote: post #11

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Does rather show how important it is to have good personal heuristics for "this is a real person's account speaking authentically", which is very difficult to verify for strangers.

Precisely. We're even psychologically inclined to agree with RO because "it" is "fighting the good fight" and "fighting The Man", etc. Whether she's legitimately exactly who she says she is or "it" is just a next-level PR AI whose sole purpose is harming Amazon, we have little way of knowing, especially outside this specific example.

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