Live data from Hacker News

GE's smart light bulb reset process is a masterpiece of modern techno-insanity

theregister.co.uk

51–60 of 235 posts

Re: GE's smart light bulb reset process is a masterpiece of modern techno-insanity

#51
post #29
post #21

If you have kids they play with turning the light switch on and off. So I can see the need not to reset by accident. A simpler solution is to have ordinary plain light bulbs. Probably friendlier to the environment due to less electronics. It’s hard to hack ordinary light bulbs so they are secure. Reset button makes sense though. Reset button are costlier for bill of materials so manufacturers save on that.

Reset button is actually a safety issue, as the bulb would have to be plugged into the mains to register the reset. A metal paperclip inserted into the body of the light bulb would be very problematic from an electrical isolation point of view. The big failure arguably is not testing the firmware sufficiently (or building in recovery algorithms) to necessitate a reset procedure in the first place.

It has an app, right? So why not allow factory resetting from there?

Re: GE's smart light bulb reset process is a masterpiece of modern techno-insanity

#53

At the current level of economic and technological development we could all be working fifteen hours a week and still have a great life [0]. Instead we keep ourselves busy designing "smart light bulb reset process", producing instructional videos about that process, watching instructional videos, and being frustrated when it eventually doesn't work. [0] http://www.econ.yale.edu/smith/econ116a/keynes1.pdf

Where do you live that your can afford a 15-hour week without worrying about rent, food,..etc?

Re: GE's smart light bulb reset process is a masterpiece of modern techno-insanity

#54

I remember this being brought up on reddit. Yes it's ridiculously lengthy, but having a procedure instead of a reset button is actually a smart idea. So they've taken a kernel of a good idea and went overboard on trying to protect users from accidentally resetting. Having a procedure allows you to reset bulbs in hard-to-reach places or a whole set of lights in one room can be reset using the one lightswitch.

I cant help but feel that there is a mismatch here between how electrical circuits and electronic circuits are wired. With electronics you have separate signalling and power but with electrical they are combined i.e. the “on” signal turning on the light switch is combined with power deliver of the electicity that powers the light bulb. Arguably for this to ever work properly your lights must always be “on” and their luminesnce mediated by a separate signaling channel. Then reseting is merely a matter of turning it “off” then “on”. Though perhaps a technical help desk would still be required...

Re: GE's smart light bulb reset process is a masterpiece of modern techno-insanity

#55
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The first time I had to upgrade the firmware on my smart lightbulbs, it was so weird. But you get used to it! And I think they were one of the best purchases I did to be honest. Some features I love; # When I come to my home during the evening, lights are automatically turned on. # When I leave my place, they automatically turn off. # You can set up alarms, like 30 minutes before my alarm goes off in the morning, lig…

I know its not quite as “smart” but we have had timers for lighting circuits for at least 50 years ...

Sure, but wall timers (for lamps) have a garbage user experience, and for the price of one wired-in fixture timer (where a wall switch would go) + new bulbs you might as well have bought a smart hub.

The problem is badly designed interfaces, not the underlying technology itself.

Re: GE's smart light bulb reset process is a masterpiece of modern techno-insanity

#56
post #21

If you have kids they play with turning the light switch on and off. So I can see the need not to reset by accident. A simpler solution is to have ordinary plain light bulbs. Probably friendlier to the environment due to less electronics. It’s hard to hack ordinary light bulbs so they are secure. Reset button makes sense though. Reset button are costlier for bill of materials so manufacturers save on that.

Temporary battery only used when disconnected from power, like alarm clocks etc

Re: GE's smart light bulb reset process is a masterpiece of modern techno-insanity

#57

At the current level of economic and technological development we could all be working fifteen hours a week and still have a great life [0]. Instead we keep ourselves busy designing "smart light bulb reset process", producing instructional videos about that process, watching instructional videos, and being frustrated when it eventually doesn't work. [0] http://www.econ.yale.edu/smith/econ116a/keynes1.pdf

Where do you live that your can afford a 15-hour week without worrying about rent, food,..etc?

Well, in Europe, you can.

Re: GE's smart light bulb reset process is a masterpiece of modern techno-insanity

#59

I remember this being brought up on reddit. Yes it's ridiculously lengthy, but having a procedure instead of a reset button is actually a smart idea. So they've taken a kernel of a good idea and went overboard on trying to protect users from accidentally resetting. Having a procedure allows you to reset bulbs in hard-to-reach places or a whole set of lights in one room can be reset using the one lightswitch.

IKEA just has a turn off and on 6 times and it works well. Takes under two seconds.

Re: GE's smart light bulb reset process is a masterpiece of modern techno-insanity

#60
post #34
post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reset button is actually a safety issue, as the bulb would have to be plugged into the mains to register the reset. A metal paperclip inserted into the body of the light bulb would be very problematic from an electrical isolation point of view. The big failure arguably is not testing the firmware sufficiently (or building in recovery algorithms) to necessitate a reset procedure in the first place.

Lightbulbs don’t get handled in operation. So you can have a huge reset button and no need for a paperclip. As to firmware, cosmic rays for example randomly flip bits. Which means for any large scale deployments you want a reset option.

Firmware is likely to be stored in flash memory, which is far more resilient to cosmic rays than SRAM or DRAM. You might find a bitflip is so unlikely it's far below the other in-service failure rates and you'd rather just handle the returns. Of course, a reset is still useful for other reasons. All assuming you don't use the bulbs in your airplane/space shuttle!

Edit: a source https://www.researchgate.net/publication/4082030_Flash_memor...

Post reply on HN