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Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by selimthegrim »

tech_dreamer wrote: post #84
owaislone wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Preventative measures are necessary for the kind of thing it can spark. To prevent what exactly? Political dissent? Why can't people in Kashmir right now talk to each other over phone? Why can't they call their loved ones outside the region? Why isn't anyone else allowed to contact them? Why are lawyers, professors and activists being jailed? Why are some people not being allowed to leave the country? Why can't Ind…

Kashmir is a part of India and India is not an occupational force. Also India doesn't want another Syria/Afganistan/Pakistan/Sudan/Libya/Iraq happening next to it.

I look forward to the no doubt imminent abrogation of the Articles 371 that deal with the other integral parts of India such as Mizoram, Manipur (how's that AFSPA going over there btw), Nagaland, etc because all integral parts of India should be treated the same, right? If Kashmir is atoot ang why are you treating it differently like it has cancer?

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by iamshs »

desi_ninja wrote: post #96
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #8

>Kashmir, an area of 12.5 million people that is claimed by both India and Pakistan and has long been a source of tension. There is also a portion of the area that is claimed by China. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jammu_and_Kashmir#/media/File:...

Given to China by Pakistan who didn't have right to it in the first place as per UN

Shakshagam valley has been ceded to China by Pakistan as it not was contiguous territory, so Pakistan got Brownie points. Aksai Chin was not given by Pakistan to China.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by thanks1banks2 »

statguy wrote: post #2

I think it is pretty clear that the Indian Government rushed into this because this is what their Hindu-nationalistic base wants - subdue the only Muslim Indian majority state. However, just like their ill-fated demonetization policy from 2016, they haven't given a whole lot of thought to what happens the day after. How long will they keep these restrictions? How far are they prepared to go if there is a mass uprisin…

India is a secular state. We treat all religions with equal respect.

This is in the constitution.

This issue is an internal matter following due process within our parliamentary framework.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by twerkinggumby »

Spooky23 wrote: post #95
SoylentOrange wrote: post #45

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While I understand where you’re coming from, I don’t agree with this sentiment. Imagine saying this about electricity or gasoline. Modern cities would be completely shut down without these resources, and we should treat the Internet in the same way - as a vital resource that we simply accept as present except in the most egregious or catastrophic circumstances.

Internet is far more critical than gasoline or even electricity. Everything is IP based, and processes for just about everything are dependent on some random service in AWS. In a significant civil unrest event, it would be very feasible for a prepared party to create widespread disruption on a regional level.

Tell me: how do you get the internet without electricity?

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by amalag »

selimthegrim wrote: post #118
amalag wrote: post #109

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Hindu Chauvinist party. Really? There are dozens of countries with Islamic constitutions. Do we call all their leaders Islamic nationalists? There is a serious effort to malign democratic norms in India unless it is only for Islam, which was the state of affairs for J&K. Hindus in Jammu and Ladakh which were part of the state of J&K were second class citizens. That has been removed. Property rights of females is also…

I hear that Janata party trying to get Jan Sangh people to resign their affiliations went over like a lead balloon in the seventies. BTW, Kashmiris liked them. RSS people can keep their membership and be called secular?

Hinduism is secular. Where have historically persecuted people of the world gone? To Hindu India. Indian Hindus are why Zorastrian people still exists as a religion. They had to flee Iran and Islamic domination hundreds of years ago.

Hindu India has its share of casteism, which is a real problem. That I can agree with.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by nashashmi »

thanks1banks2 wrote: post #133
statguy wrote: post #2

I think it is pretty clear that the Indian Government rushed into this because this is what their Hindu-nationalistic base wants - subdue the only Muslim Indian majority state. However, just like their ill-fated demonetization policy from 2016, they haven't given a whole lot of thought to what happens the day after. How long will they keep these restrictions? How far are they prepared to go if there is a mass uprisin…

India is a secular state. We treat all religions with equal respect. This is in the constitution. This issue is an internal matter following due process within our parliamentary framework.

Secular in name only. The current party has been anti minority with significant frequency and protectionist of hindu beliefs.

It is the reason why Kashmir never merged with the rest of India.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by selimthegrim »

amalag wrote: post #135
selimthegrim wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hear that Janata party trying to get Jan Sangh people to resign their affiliations went over like a lead balloon in the seventies. BTW, Kashmiris liked them. RSS people can keep their membership and be called secular?

Hinduism is secular. Where have historically persecuted people of the world gone? To Hindu India. Indian Hindus are why Zorastrian people still exists as a religion. They had to flee Iran and Islamic domination hundreds of years ago. Hindu India has its share of casteism, which is a real problem. That I can agree with.

As far as Indian Constitution written by Ambedkar goes, I believe you. I am not sure RSS agrees on that basis.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by nashashmi »

amalag wrote: post #117
owaislone wrote: post #83

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Immense violence started in Kashmir back in 1989 when India pulled off something like this the last time. It started dying out by 1995-96 as India adopted a more democratic and less militaristic approach to Kashmir (Vajpayee's Kashmiriyat, Insaniyat, Jamburiyat) right until the current Government came in and started going back to the militaristic approach by quelling protests by brute-force. This move is not going to…

This is BS. Pakistani jihadis are not overcome with any kind words. The isolation of Kashmir was the problem and the government has taken the solution that the majority of the country agrees with. The only people complaining are English language media who Modi has never cared about.

Calm down. Too much emotion here. Current government position was always a possibility and is the main reason why Kashmir remained isolationist.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by nashashmi »

iamshs wrote: post #93
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #69

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C'mon, stop bringing Pakistan into this. India has mismanaged Kashmir so badly that the majority of the population wants to leave India -- and not to join Pakistan, mind you, but to be independent.

Pakistan is a big part of problem here by supporting militants and terrorists. Material, money and training support. Let’s not absolve Pakistan here. They invaded independent Kashmir in 1947 and Kashmir had to let go its independence to get support from India against Pakistan’s war.

They never invaded. Locals rebelled against the ruler for being independent. And asked to become part Pakistan. Army came in upon request from locals.

Re: India Shut Down Kashmir’s Internet Access

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Post by nashashmi »

ra7 wrote: post #94
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #69

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C'mon, stop bringing Pakistan into this. India has mismanaged Kashmir so badly that the majority of the population wants to leave India -- and not to join Pakistan, mind you, but to be independent.

Huh what? Are you even aware of the history? Being independent has been their goal from day 1; that's the reason for the conflict. It's not because India has "mismanaged" Kashmir.

Staying away from hindu extremist dictatorship has been their goal and why they never conformed.
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