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Launch HN: Lofty AI (YC S19) – Real estate investment with alternative data

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Hi Hacker News Community,

My name is Jerry, and I’m one co-founders for Lofty AI (https://www.lofty.ai/). We use machine learning to help identify homes where values are likely to appreciate, and we help home buyers buy them. People can partner up with us to buy a recommended property. If they do, we are willing to cover any potential losses on the property. In exchange, the buyer agrees to share some of the future profit on the home with us. The agreement lasts 3 years.

Before starting this company, my co-founder and I had tried to invest in homes. However, we quickly got tired of realtors telling us to make offers based on very little data. We wanted to figure out a way to buy affordable homes that had the highest growth potential via a data driven approach. We realized there was a wealth of new alternative data out there, which could be used to predict both neighborhood growth and individual property growth. This alternative data we envisioned ranged from the growth in the number of postings on social media about a specific dog breed, to the number of restaurants in an area serving a specific type of trendy food, to the average wait time for ride sharing apps, and the average maximum temperature an area can experience.

Our tech involves running clustering to identify trends and keywords from text based data (e.g.: social media photo tags, business reviews) that are associated with different categories of neighborhoods (for example: rich/suburban/static, middle-class/urban/growing). We then take these insights and feed them into a larger model with historical home prices, house level features, and an array of other numeric features (e.g. ride sharing wait times, new businesses) that predicts future home price on both an individual property and neighborhood level. With this trained model we can then predict future home prices based on these alternative data sources (as well a few traditional data sources). As we ingest more data going forward we are constantly retraining and reoptimizing our models. Along with successful backtesting we have been tracking our predictions to validate our models in production and have found that properties we had identified 12 months ago have beaten the market in appreciation by an average of 14 points (yay!).

Most young working professionals want to live in or near large metropolitan cities for the lifestyle and better jobs market. This has contributed to extremely high home prices for places like the bay area and many young professionals end up paying rent that is on par with a mortgage payment. However, instead of building equity in their own future through an investment, they are simply making their landlords richer.

We want to change this by giving people another option. They can now invest in a home and their capital can be protected should the investment flop. The trade off is that these homes tend to be located in areas not “currently” deemed to be a desirable neighborhood. In essence, we want to help inexperienced home buyers make smarter decisions, and we are willing to risk our own capital for that. In the event of a downturn in the market we are hedging our exposure by buying deep out of the money options that track the real estate market. These hedges are also attached to each individual contract so even if we were to go out of business before the maturation of the agreement or before a downturn in the market your downside protection would still be alive and well! As a result, anything that’s above a 20% decline across the portfolio will be covered by the hedging instruments, so we only need to be able to guarantee the range between 0 to -20% using our own capital. To make sure we can abide by the guarantee, we know exactly how many contracts we can enter into, and we will not go above that threshold until we obtain more funding.

Sign up with us to receive a list of recommended properties that our models think will appreciate over the next 3 years. Make an offer on the property you like the most using any method you’d like. If you don’t have an agent you work with, we can recommend you one along with helping you get a mortgage. After you make an offer on a home, you enter into a contract with us. We agree to cover losses over the next 3 years and in exchange, you share some of the future upside with us.

Let us know if you have any questions or insights, and I’ll be happy to respond! Feel free to directly reach out to me at jerry@lofty.ai as well. We’d love to hear your feedback and suggestions!

Re: Launch HN: Lofty AI (YC S19) – Real estate investment with alternative data

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For years the simplest heuristic I can find for finding up-and-coming places has been "Where is Starbucks opening new stores?" I assume Lofty's is much more complicated than that, but I'd be curious to see what the overlap is between the Starbucks Strategy (TM) and Lofty AI's.

I do have a few more questions though:

- Also, are you focusing on primary residences, homes as investments (i.e., rentals)? Do you consider apartments, duplexes, or commercial real state?

- Do you have an idea of how long one would have to own these homes for the appreciation to appreciate in a significant enough way for it to be profitable?

- You mention "some of the future profit". How much is that? 1%, 5%, 10%, 50%?

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> Before starting this company, my co-founder and I had tried to invest in homes. Were you guys successful?

Haha not at all, since we never ended up investing. We were inexperienced and didn't really know what to look for. Homes that required extensive rehab seemed too daunting and a turnkey property in a nice neighborhood was too expensive.

(This will sound like we are very lazy...) We essentially wanted to buy an affordable home that would just grow in price over the next few years without us doing anything. At the time, there were no tools to help us find homes like this, which ultimately led us to starting this company.

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For years the simplest heuristic I can find for finding up-and-coming places has been "Where is Starbucks opening new stores?" I assume Lofty's is much more complicated than that, but I'd be curious to see what the overlap is between the Starbucks Strategy (TM) and Lofty AI's. I do have a few more questions though: - Also, are you focusing on primary residences, homes as investments (i.e., rentals)? Do you consider a…

according to the site, you keep 80% of the profit, so their cut is 20%.

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post #3

For years the simplest heuristic I can find for finding up-and-coming places has been "Where is Starbucks opening new stores?" I assume Lofty's is much more complicated than that, but I'd be curious to see what the overlap is between the Starbucks Strategy (TM) and Lofty AI's. I do have a few more questions though: - Also, are you focusing on primary residences, homes as investments (i.e., rentals)? Do you consider a…

Great question! The Starbucks Strategy is actually well known in the industry. Believe or not, large real estate developers and investors will often follow the same signals. They also look for things like Trader Joe's or Whole Foods opening.

Our algorithm is very similar in concept to this strategy. However, by the time Starbucks or Trader Joe's opens in an area, it's often towards the middle or late stages of a neighborhood's growth. We can find amenities that are even earlier indicators than Starbucks. Think your one-off local coffee shop named "Bob's coffee" or something similar.

We are focused on the appreciation potential of residential real estate, which has single family houses, condos, and town homes. However, we have noticed that in areas where home prices are growing, rents typically are growing as well. So our customers are welcome to rent out the properties for cash-flow.

We do not have data on a lot of commercial properties, but we can still underwrite the agreement on duplexes and smaller multifamily units.

It typically takes 3-5 years on average for neighborhoods to see the exponential portion of their growth curve, so our agreement is for 3 years by default.

Our share of the profit is 20% of the gross profit. So, if you had bought something for 100,000 and you sold it for 200,000 in 3 years. Then, we would get 20% of the gross profit ($100,000), which would be $20,000.

edit: made numbers in example more clear.

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post #3

For years the simplest heuristic I can find for finding up-and-coming places has been "Where is Starbucks opening new stores?" I assume Lofty's is much more complicated than that, but I'd be curious to see what the overlap is between the Starbucks Strategy (TM) and Lofty AI's. I do have a few more questions though: - Also, are you focusing on primary residences, homes as investments (i.e., rentals)? Do you consider a…

according to the site, you keep 80% of the profit, so their cut is 20%.

Haha thanks, you beat me to it! :)

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> Before starting this company, my co-founder and I had tried to invest in homes. Were you guys successful?

Haha not at all, since we never ended up investing. We were inexperienced and didn't really know what to look for. Homes that required extensive rehab seemed too daunting and a turnkey property in a nice neighborhood was too expensive. (This will sound like we are very lazy...) We essentially wanted to buy an affordable home that would just grow in price over the next few years without us doing anything. At the time,…

This makes total sense. I've had 2 rental properties, and it sounds like you guys were looking for the same thing I was. Very interesting, I'm glad to see somebody tackling this! Why is the deal for 3 years? I would anticipate that your time horizon for a good return is much longer, given that the markets you are looking at are more up and coming.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haha not at all, since we never ended up investing. We were inexperienced and didn't really know what to look for. Homes that required extensive rehab seemed too daunting and a turnkey property in a nice neighborhood was too expensive. (This will sound like we are very lazy...) We essentially wanted to buy an affordable home that would just grow in price over the next few years without us doing anything. At the time,…

This makes total sense. I've had 2 rental properties, and it sounds like you guys were looking for the same thing I was. Very interesting, I'm glad to see somebody tackling this! Why is the deal for 3 years? I would anticipate that your time horizon for a good return is much longer, given that the markets you are looking at are more up and coming.

Thanks for your interest! The ideal timeline is actually 5 years if we want to see the majority of the growth. However, since we won't be making any revenue from the agreement until at the end of the term, 5 years is too long for a startup to go without seeing revenue. So, it's mostly a way where we can see returns sooner, which is more attractive for investors.

On the plus side, our customers can choose to buy us out after 3 years, and see 2 more years of growth after, and they wouldn't have to share that profit with anyone.

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