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Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

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Re: Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

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The thing that makes unions work is the ability to go on strike (it's easy to shutdown a shipyard or a coal mine). I don't know how you coordinate a bunch of preening narcissists, but if film and tv actors can do it, maybe youtube stars can too.

why the contempt?

i suspect you might brush it off as humor, but your statements belie a contempt for the group. why, in this context?

Re: Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

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post #8

The thing that makes unions work is the ability to go on strike (it's easy to shutdown a shipyard or a coal mine). I don't know how you coordinate a bunch of preening narcissists, but if film and tv actors can do it, maybe youtube stars can too.

If all the content creators stopped...I'd have a lot of YouTube content to watch still.

It's not like when the factory stops because the workers strike, or there are no sports game because the players walked out. There's more youtube than I know what to do with no matter what.

Re: Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

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If that's the case, 99% will be booted off the platform and they will have to meet certain numbers of visitors and engagement every month, or lose their job..which is what unionizing means. If I were google, I would also get control of their users (they would now be the companys) and youtubers will no longer be able move to any other platform while working for Google. You can't expect the freedom of running your own…

If you run a business and your solvency depends on the existence of another, larger business, you're not as independent as the title of 'business owner' alludes.

How many HN posts have we seen over the years of businesses based on Amazon, Twitter, Apple getting blown the fuck up because the mothership restricted an API, copied their project or changed a ToS?

I'm not putting in an opinion on anything else in your post except the supposed 'freedom' of youtubers et al. Okay maybe one more thing. I like seeing alternative viewpoints, and yours is a rare one on HN. I like to champion alternative viewpoints whenever I see them, especially when they're voted white for no reason. It's hard to go to bat for you on this though, since you're for retaliation against a bunch of people who dare try and organize around their shared pain points. I just can't do it this time!

Unionizing is like a mini revolution. I was always confused about anti unionism when I was in school, because unions seem as american as it gets (in the 7th grade social studies definition of 'America).

Democracy in the workplace? Hell yeah! Fighting against a power that exploits you without representation? That's boston-tea-party as shit. Shame there's no way to talk about things like this with someone who disagrees without it devolving into 'modern discourse'.

Re: Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

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post #8

The thing that makes unions work is the ability to go on strike (it's easy to shutdown a shipyard or a coal mine). I don't know how you coordinate a bunch of preening narcissists, but if film and tv actors can do it, maybe youtube stars can too.

why the contempt? i suspect you might brush it off as humor, but your statements belie a contempt for the group. why, in this context?

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Re: Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

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post #8

The thing that makes unions work is the ability to go on strike (it's easy to shutdown a shipyard or a coal mine). I don't know how you coordinate a bunch of preening narcissists, but if film and tv actors can do it, maybe youtube stars can too.

why the contempt? i suspect you might brush it off as humor, but your statements belie a contempt for the group. why, in this context?

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Re: Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

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post #8

The thing that makes unions work is the ability to go on strike (it's easy to shutdown a shipyard or a coal mine). I don't know how you coordinate a bunch of preening narcissists, but if film and tv actors can do it, maybe youtube stars can too.

why the contempt? i suspect you might brush it off as humor, but your statements belie a contempt for the group. why, in this context?

Is it ? Or just have differing stance and opinion ?

Re: Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

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post #8

The thing that makes unions work is the ability to go on strike (it's easy to shutdown a shipyard or a coal mine). I don't know how you coordinate a bunch of preening narcissists, but if film and tv actors can do it, maybe youtube stars can too.

If all the content creators stopped...I'd have a lot of YouTube content to watch still. It's not like when the factory stops because the workers strike, or there are no sports game because the players walked out. There's more youtube than I know what to do with no matter what.

There is probably a demographic of YouTube viewers who skew towards watching fresh content from their favorite content creators. YouTube would probably see reduced engagement from them due to a strike. I'm not sure what percent of total views they account for though.

Re: Watch Out Google, YouTubers Are Unionizing

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What they should do is collectively take their content somewhere else. As an aside, I'm seeing the same pattern at Amazon. People thought they were opening a business on amazon selling retail. Then amazon started selling the profitable products themselves, storing the products themselves, ... basically doing more and more of the work and taking more control and taking money from the people who helped them become powe…

> only AdWords sponsored content appears in Google searches anymore.

Wrong, AdWords sponsored results are promoted (just in a less obvious manner than before), but other websites also appear.

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