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FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Post by systemtest »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #22
1e-9 wrote: post #8

In addition to the 432,000 Macbook Pros sold in the US from mid-2015 to 2017 being outright banned from flying, there will be all the other Mackbook Pros sold from about 2013 to mid-2015 that outwardly look just like the banned ones. I suppose all those lookalikes will be pulled out and have their serial numbers checked, which is in microscopic print on the back, which will definitely slow down Pre-check when you wou…

You can open the MBP up and show the agent your About Mac window in the setting menu. It has the serial number, but more importantly, it will tell them the year of the laptop (mine says mid 2014).

That's only the release date. My mid-2015 MacBook Pro 15" was manufactured in June 2017. So it's outside the recalled laptop range.

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Post by systemtest »

AlexDragusin wrote: post #71

I am wondering how long this non-removable battery fiasco is gonna last, instead of an expensive recall it would been a simple battery recall and swap that doesn't involve leaving the laptop in service for any amount of time and doable on short notice so the travelers would not be inconvenienced. On top of that, when non-removable batteries fail, they usually take down the whole device with them beyond repair, while…

My MacBook Pro 15" Retina has a 99,5 watt-hour battery. The biggest removable battery on a MacBook Pro was the 71 watt-hour one on the 17" non-unibody one. I like a bit of extra battery power.

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Post by mietek »

jhabdas wrote: post #163
WildGreenLeave wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amsterdam Airport (Schiphol) allows you to bring a full waterbottle (openend and unopenend) through security. Also you don't have to unpack your bag anymore. Just take it of your back and it will go right through the machine. I am not sure what changed because I haven't seen this before. Even modern airports like Changi (Singapore) required me to empty my bottle. If anyone knows what changed, always interesting to re…

There's nothing modern about Changi's use of "angel wings" to physically detain passengers moving through customs while they collect biometrics.

Can you explain what “angel wings” means in this context?

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Post by jcadam »

nindalf wrote: post #196
justincormack wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These models don’t have those.

Time to get a new macbook! You don't mind replacing a laptop that's less than 2 years old right?

These are Apple users you're talking about. Their loyalty is pretty much unconditional, and they'll view this as an exciting opportunity to upgrade.

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Post by turk73 »

js2 wrote: post #52

Multiple folks in this thread have asked how the TSA is going to deal with this. The answer is: it won't. These laptops were banned as a "dangerous good" by the FAA. This is separate from the TSA's list of items banned as a security threat. > The Transportation Security Administration also has rules on "prohibited items" that pose a security threat. Though they sometimes overlap, the TSA security rules are separate f…

I don't see what the point to any of it is other than some feel-good CYA maneuver. I fully expect that every single Apple laptop will be recalled eventually.

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Post by adrianN »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #201
fortran77 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Might a passenger, properly warned, be liable if he brings a banned laptop on the plane anyway and it catches on fire?

They absolutely should be criminally liable for risking the lives of everyone on board because they won't take a different laptop, or none, with them. If the search is only 5% effective then the deterrent needs to be something you wouldn't risk a 5% chance of happening, year in prison, or a fine of 2 times your average annual income seems about right?

You mean something like dying a fiery death because your laptop caught fire on a plane?

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Post by berkeleyjunk »

jhabdas wrote: post #166
rubicon33 wrote: post #146

I had my battery replaced under this program. Can I bring it on the plane now?

Did they allow you to watch while they replaced the battery?

I had to turn in the Macbook Pro at the Apple store and it took them more than a week to return it. They had to ship to a centralized repair center. I doubt anyone got to watch.

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Post by turk73 »

paulmd wrote: post #139
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my understanding, TSA security isn't customs, so it isn't a constitution suspended zone.

I would think that you have the right to refuse to show them, and they have the right to refuse to let you through security. Flying is not a constitutionally protected activity... see, for example, the legality of un-appealable no-fly lists.

Yes, but what you are describing is Orwellian, statist bullcrap that Americans typically don't abide with at all. We are not supposed to be a nation run by administrative bureaucrats whose jobs are to hassle us. So whether or not flying is Constitutionally protected, the right to travel freely generally is protected. All this corporo-statist bs security at the airports has been in a knee-jerk response to a few incidents that seem designed to instill fear in the public and lead to the Orwellian nightmare that we have now. I'd personally like to see most all of it rolled back if only so that the cost of government can go down. If you don't feel safe flying then don't. Being free means being brave and hey it's not for everyone. Luckily, there are many asshole nations to choose from where they will happily take your freedom and let you live out your life is slavery to them for the sake of some free food or whatever.

As far as un-appealable no-fly lists, that's just more Orwellian bullshit that people should not tolerate. A person living in a free country should never find themself in a position where they are on a secret list that they can't get off of!

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Post by gruez »

jhabdas wrote: post #158
dawnerd wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thats a bit unfair though. Do you think most people will know if their laptop if affected? This is the first I've heard of it and honestly can't remember what year my MBP is.

Apple sent me an email directly stating my Mac was affected. My early 2017 MPB has run hot enough to burn through 2 $80 charging cables already. I've since switched operating systems to Linux and have no intention of getting serviced as there are no authorized service centers in my area unless I get on a plane. Would I trust anyone else touching my Mac anyway? The answer is no and I plan to buy a Huawei replacement l…

>Would I trust anyone else touching my Mac anyway? The answer is no and I plan to buy a Huawei replacement laptop with 5G.

This reads like satire.

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Post by tomxor »

crooked-v wrote: post #116
AlexDragusin wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I've seen them and it's driven by the misguided quest for the thinnest, form over function devices while refusing to accept that battery technology is not yet up to the task. Particularly when you consider the volatile Lithium based tech which is sensitive to heat, let's put them in enclosed cases where lots of heat is generated, make them non removable, what could go wrong. Here I just put something rough togeth…

Except, as already noted, batteries in current Macbooks are not one rectangular slab like that. Take a look at the inside of the current Macbook Pro: https://i.imgur.com/pTZjbuZ.jpg That's a "battery" that's actually six separate batteries, fit around and underneath the structural components of the touchpad. Make it a single piece that can be neatly removed like your would-be concept image and you cut battery life in…

> Make it a single piece that can be neatly removed like your would-be concept image and you cut battery life in half. Customers would revolt, and far more noticeably than over mere keyboard problems.

According to other comments further up the thread this is incorrect, as the XPS has proven it can be both a single battery, with more capacity, and be thinner, even faster.

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