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The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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Post by dsego »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #136
arkh wrote: post #67

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To what end? If we accept the heat death of the universe and the fact nothing can go faster than light everything is bound to disappear. Trying to better Earth based life is useless. Then why bother trying to attain something higher? Just maximize your own pleasure until your conscience disappear. Suicide by psychedelic use is the only "hypersane" response.

Not everyone comes to this conclusion, one line of reasoning is: because there shouldn’t be a meaningless universe in the first place, it must actually have meaning.

What is the purpose of this meaning for me, for my life right now? If not, than I shall not care about it. The universe can go f* itself.

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Post by waynecochran »

jmcqk6 wrote: post #191
waynecochran wrote: post #175

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Wow the level of dishonesty and misuse of any context is horrific here. Mark 4: Jesus is quoting Isaiah who is speaking of a people who have the Scriptures and yet have continually ignored God and will eventually murder Him. God is under no compulsion to be clear with them. It is the sobering truth of Matthew 13:12. Matthew 15 : I have no idea what you are talking about here. Matthew 21: The house of God is being use…

not the GP, but the greater symbolism of the fruit tree is very interesting. If you believe the stories, god created everything, including the tree, and the tree is 'behaving' exactly how it was created. For this, god cursed it. I suppose this is something programmers can really identify with, but I think the greater symbolism is applying the same thing to humans. When god created adam and eve, he created them with t…

Interesting -- so you would say curiosity triggered the fall of man.

Most see the rejection of contemporary Jerusalem (Matt 23:38, Luke 19:43,44) and the house of the scribes and Pharisees, which produced no fruit, was about to be left desolate. In AD 70 Titus and the Romans would demolish Jerusalem and the Temple. The cursing of the fig tree, I infer, is the foreshadowing of their doom. The fig tree is used again in Matt 24:32 as an indicator of the soon return of the Son of Man.

In any case, saying Jesus hates fig trees, is missing the point.

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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Post by dsego »

rowanG077 wrote: post #153
me_me_me wrote: post #142

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And yet somehow you can resist an urge to kill unknown weak stranger and taking their possession. (that's what our ancestor did, but somehow its not normal anymore).

What's your proof that this in in humanities nature? Not all actions we took during history are in humanities nature. It seems more likely to me that humans were forced to do stuff like that due to other things in our nature like needing to eat and drink.

By the demiurge?

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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Post by dsego »

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #71
foxylad wrote: post #49

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As I get older, the blindingly obvious principle that we're all different seems to get more profound. In this case we all have different drivers, and different definitions of "sane". Some people love being part of a bigger whole, so to suggest these conformists aren't sane is as patronising as calling the non-conformists insane because they don't get with the program. An important corollary to this principle is that…

> and different definitions of "sane" It's even so to a point that it is funny that they use this word in such an argument. Who in their right mind would assume that "sane" (and "hypersane") would be an objective enough of a concept to even dedicate time discussing? Neither science knows what is sane, nor does spirituality teachings use that word often.

The terminology is used to paint a picture, not to introduce a new branch of science, it's not meant to be objective. It just poses a question, how can regular person tell the difference between someone who's lost their marbles and someone who is actually thinking more clearly than them by rejecting established norms.

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Post by dsego »

toasterlovin wrote: post #35
nlh wrote: post #16

My interpretation of the point the author is trying to make: The 'hypersane' are those among us who have realized, for better or for worse, that the traditional things that most in a society strive for - material wealth, social status, conformity to social structures, etc. - aren't really the keys to happiness and that when you "awaken" (and become hypersane, I suppose) you realize that along with those things come s…

> the traditional things that most in a society strive for - material wealth, social status, conformity to social structures, etc. - aren't really the keys to happiness > Thoughts? Happiness isn't the point of life. Keep digging.

Is there a point?

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Post by dsego »

Arbalest wrote: post #159
mapcars wrote: post #132

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>This state has indeed produced profound ideas, but it has also produced even more nonsense ideas Can you say with 100% confidence what is profound and what is nonsense in this Universe? >The article makes the classical mistake of the binary: There's the mainstream, and the higher "hypersane". The two are extreme points so that we can see the difference, of course, there are all kinds of intermediate states as Diogen…

> Can you say with 100% confidence what is profound and what is nonsense in this Universe? Given that profundity only makes any sense at all in the context of humans, with a fair degree of confidence (100% is never possible), I believe a reasonable measure is possible. The funny thing about profundity is: It means the advancement of thinking in people. To further add to this, it means advancing society, by extension…

> However, the issue is the framing of the article, it posits that becoming hypersane essentially necessitates being divorced from society in it's entirety.

Yes, and it makes it clear it's necessarily so by definition. See, there is this gaussian distribution in nature. Most people are a bit insane, not much, but just enough. Of course the hypersane would be divorced from a society that believes in fairy tales, propagates myths, and is ready to kill or die for it.

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Post by crawfordcomeaux »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #218
crawfordcomeaux wrote: post #203

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You're projecting a lot of things onto what I'm saying. I never claimed hunter-gatherer was for everyone. Getting back to nature is. That's science. Privilege is there to be shared. This includes privileged wisdom. Indigenous cultures are dying out due to settlers and colonizers decimating their lands, cultures, and people. This is not news. It has nothing to do with their way of life, aside from not having developed…

And I repeat, 'getting back to nature' is a pipe dream for most people, living on a cement street in an apartment 25 stories up. Which is over half of everybody already, and growing.

No, it's simply a collectively difficult thing to accomplish on our current path.

Your take is simply a disempowering reason to stay stuck. We can always reconnect with nature in various ways. Your perspective is self-limiting and keeps you from realizing ways to accomplish it.

Other people are probably figuring out how to do it and you haven't even bothered to find out how.

Here's the first link I found from googling "how to reconnect with nature while living in a city." These are decent approaches and I would say are barely scratching the surface.

https://permaculturenews.org/2017/02/20/can-connect-nature-c...

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Post by antonvs »

Erlich_Bachman wrote: post #92
antonvs wrote: post #88

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He exhibited petulance, short temper, violence, and extremism. Hypersane doesn't really seem to apply. That's probably because the people who wrote about the character weren't thinking in those terms.

You seem to operate on some other set of historical books and accounts than what is readily available.

There are no significant historical accounts of Jesus.

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Post by rowanG077 »

dsego wrote: post #223
rowanG077 wrote: post #153

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What's your proof that this in in humanities nature? Not all actions we took during history are in humanities nature. It seems more likely to me that humans were forced to do stuff like that due to other things in our nature like needing to eat and drink.

By the demiurge?

This comment makes no sense to me.

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Post by collyw »

lonelappde wrote: post #187
RHSeeger wrote: post #179

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That also means they don't get many of the benefits of modern society, I would think. What do they do when their child becomes a type 1 diabetic? Or goes into shock from an allergic reaction?

Same thing that happens to people in New York City who can't afford fast-acting insulin or EpiPen? Your two examples are telling given the current state of pharma business.

That should probably read:

Your two examples are telling given the current state American healthcare system. I don't think its a problem in Europe.

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