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Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Post by krn »

eridius wrote: post #177
krn wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes, all those issues could be addressed by making Apple laptops thicker and heavier Dell XPS 13 is both, thinner and lighter than Macbook Air, yet its battery replacement process is rated as "very easy"[1] by ifixit. The same applies to Dell XPS 15 vs Macbook Pro. [1] https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Dell+XPS+13+Battery+Replacement...

Looks like the Dell XPS 13 uses a single rectangular battery, though it still requires unscrewing the whole case, disconnecting a battery cable, and then unscrewing the battery, so it's not something you can do on the fly. The 2018 MacBook Air battery isn't quite so neat and rectangular: https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/HvCgVPqVQtVI5K5X.h... And you can see here how it fits into all of the available space in…

> Switching this computer to using a simple battery like the Dell XPS 13 is using means sacrificing a significant amount of battery capacity.

The point was, that despite getting rid of the single rectangular battery Macbook Air is neither thinner, nor lighter, nor more powerful, nor longer lasting on battery than Dell XPS 13.

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Post by batiudrami »

WildGreenLeave wrote: post #143
jdavis703 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually took an 10 inch screwdriver on to a flight accidently. When I was unpacking at the hotel I was like "how the F did this get past the security check?" Another time I was running late for my flight and forgot to empty my 16oz water bottle. After my bag went through the scanner I realized my mistake and told the TSA agent about it. He uncapped the bottle, swirrled the water around, sniffed it, and then handed…

Amsterdam Airport (Schiphol) allows you to bring a full waterbottle (openend and unopenend) through security. Also you don't have to unpack your bag anymore. Just take it of your back and it will go right through the machine. I am not sure what changed because I haven't seen this before. Even modern airports like Changi (Singapore) required me to empty my bottle. If anyone knows what changed, always interesting to re…

I was pleasantly surprised by AMS' comparatively lax security procedures. But I flew into Dubai and my connecting flight had an additional security checkpoint at the gate so I couldn't bring my full water bottle onto an 11 hour connection.

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Post by kingosticks »

eridius wrote: post #177
krn wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes, all those issues could be addressed by making Apple laptops thicker and heavier Dell XPS 13 is both, thinner and lighter than Macbook Air, yet its battery replacement process is rated as "very easy"[1] by ifixit. The same applies to Dell XPS 15 vs Macbook Pro. [1] https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Dell+XPS+13+Battery+Replacement...

Looks like the Dell XPS 13 uses a single rectangular battery, though it still requires unscrewing the whole case, disconnecting a battery cable, and then unscrewing the battery, so it's not something you can do on the fly. The 2018 MacBook Air battery isn't quite so neat and rectangular: https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/HvCgVPqVQtVI5K5X.h... And you can see here how it fits into all of the available space in…

It's also worth nothing that the XPS has a 52Whr battery and the 2018 Air had a 50.3Whr battery. Although you probably get worse battery life with the XPS (config dependent maybe), you've stil got to hand it to Dell here.

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Post by andrewjrhill »

izacus wrote: post #162
dawnerd wrote: post #145

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Thats a bit unfair though. Do you think most people will know if their laptop if affected? This is the first I've heard of it and honestly can't remember what year my MBP is.

> Thats a bit unfair though. Do you think most people will know if their laptop if affected? This is the first I've heard of it and honestly can't remember what year my MBP is. Laptop will explode and burn without caring if their owner knows about it, so I don't know what "fairness" has to do with it here. It's not unreasonable to have a minimum awareness about your own possessions, we don't have to slip into full bl…

Do you know how likely your TV remote is to explode? I doubt it. Knowing how likely it is that the products you buy may or may not defect requires much more than "a minimum awareness about your own possessions."

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Post by daliusd »

Kuinox wrote: post #178
cm2187 wrote: post #168

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To those who wonder why you can’t board with a thermometer: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IrdYueB9pY4

In a recent thermometer there is no mercury anymore. By recent i mean in the last few decades.

You are a little bit too optimistic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury-in-glass_thermometer#L...

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Post by krn »

kingosticks wrote: post #183
eridius wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Looks like the Dell XPS 13 uses a single rectangular battery, though it still requires unscrewing the whole case, disconnecting a battery cable, and then unscrewing the battery, so it's not something you can do on the fly. The 2018 MacBook Air battery isn't quite so neat and rectangular: https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/HvCgVPqVQtVI5K5X.h... And you can see here how it fits into all of the available space in…

It's also worth nothing that the XPS has a 52Whr battery and the 2018 Air had a 50.3Whr battery. Although you probably get worse battery life with the XPS (config dependent maybe), you've stil got to hand it to Dell here.

In fact, Dell XPS 13 is twice as powerful as Macbook Air, but lasts only a little shorter on battery[1].

[1] https://www.cnet.com/news/apple-macbook-air-vs-dell-xps-13-i...

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Post by cortic »

cm2187 wrote: post #168
js2 wrote: post #52

Multiple folks in this thread have asked how the TSA is going to deal with this. The answer is: it won't. These laptops were banned as a "dangerous good" by the FAA. This is separate from the TSA's list of items banned as a security threat. > The Transportation Security Administration also has rules on "prohibited items" that pose a security threat. Though they sometimes overlap, the TSA security rules are separate f…

To those who wonder why you can’t board with a thermometer: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IrdYueB9pY4

..because if you drill a divot out of the inside of the plain, clean it with hydrochloric acid and break your thermometer on there you might get some pitting.. whoa, dodged a bullet there.

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Post by isostatic »

jhabdas wrote: post #163
WildGreenLeave wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Amsterdam Airport (Schiphol) allows you to bring a full waterbottle (openend and unopenend) through security. Also you don't have to unpack your bag anymore. Just take it of your back and it will go right through the machine. I am not sure what changed because I haven't seen this before. Even modern airports like Changi (Singapore) required me to empty my bottle. If anyone knows what changed, always interesting to re…

There's nothing modern about Changi's use of "angel wings" to physically detain passengers moving through customs while they collect biometrics.

Haven’t been to singapore for a while but I was never stopped at customs (green channel)

If you are on about collecting fingerprints at immigration, the US does that, as do many other countries.

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Post by cm2187 »

cortic wrote: post #187
cm2187 wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To those who wonder why you can’t board with a thermometer: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IrdYueB9pY4

..because if you drill a divot out of the inside of the plain, clean it with hydrochloric acid and break your thermometer on there you might get some pitting.. whoa, dodged a bullet there.

The video doesn't say that the reaction won't happen without cleaning the surface, just that it will be much slower. And the hole is just to hold the mercury in place.

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Post by hdfbdtbcdg »

dawnerd wrote: post #145
hdfbdtbcdg wrote: post #141

A lot of people are commenting how hard this will be to enforce/easy to avoid. That's not the right way to look at it. If someone now takes one of these laptops onto a flight and it burns mid-flight that person is now criminally liable. At the very least they will have to pay for the emergency landing etc..

Thats a bit unfair though. Do you think most people will know if their laptop if affected? This is the first I've heard of it and honestly can't remember what year my MBP is.

I know affected people they got emails from Apple about the recall.
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