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Re: Kevinism

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Naming things is hard. Naming people is harder. Many (most?) expecting parents spend hours researching names online or in "1000 baby name ideas"-books. My parents love my name. I hate it.

There are too many of us for names to be a unique identifier. First names are too generic to say anything about us, and they're usually assigned at birth, before any of our traits are known.

Family names are even worse; here's your father's last name glued on to yours, for no apparent reason. Or maybe your mother's. Or, if you want, in Belgium, a hyphenated version of both parents', but excluding any hyphenated part of theirs. This somehow implies that family is important, but only a small part of your family? I don't get that in a modern context.

Iain M Banks had an interesting take on multi-part names in The Culture, with the naming scheme at least featuring a chosen name. But sadly also including things you have no control over, like place of birth and parentage.

Letting everyone pick their own name would be nice. That's apparently already possible in some parts of the world, but not everywhere. And often you can only change it if your name is truly ridiculous or if you share a name with a serial killer or some such.

Re: Kevinism

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From a UK perspective, Kevin is not a very popular name either, and has a bunch of negative associations.

"Kev" has been slang for someone from a low socioeconomic background, possibly violent, often paired with "Sharon" or "Tracy" as a female equivalent.

So as an aspirational western name I'm not sure it works! At least for the English...

Re: Kevinism

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post #8

The article also mentioned Horst as having a particular association - what was the association?

Stupidity or clumsiness. Apparently it can't be tracked to any specific origin, the name just went completely out of fashion and the association seems to have emerged around 2000.

Here's a German article about it: https://www.welt.de/kultur/article163980590/Der-Herbst-des-H...

Re: Kevinism

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post #6

It also applies here in France, especially northern/eastern parts close to Germany. Well, not for Chantal, which is not a very exotic name here.

Same in the Netherlands. There are a lot of names that will instantly identify you as someone born from parents hailing from the lower socio-economic classes.

If you meet a boy named Jayden (the present day Dutch Kevin I guess?), you can be pretty sure his parents didn't go to college. This information should be irrelevant, but in reality it is used by whoever they meet, consciously or unconsciously.

The problem with these imported and new names is that it places a long lasting, nigh indelible stigma on their bearer. A label that everyone can see — yet you'll never know if it affects someone's opinion of you. All you might know is that the net effect of your name is negative until society changes its perception of it (i.e., gets used to it).

Re: Kevinism

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In some french-speaking countries, script-kiddies are sometime called Kévin. I'm not sure if is a reference to the famous Kevin Mitnick or to Kevin from the movie Home Alone or some kind of Kevinism.

These last years, I also hear people using "Jean-Kévin" instead.

Re: Kevinism

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post #6

It also applies here in France, especially northern/eastern parts close to Germany. Well, not for Chantal, which is not a very exotic name here.

Living as a (expat) Kevin in The Netherlands for many years and I've never heard this. Might be that my friends are just polite. Interested to know if this is well-known to those who grew up in The Netherlands.

Re: Kevinism

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post #11

Naming things is hard. Naming people is harder. Many (most?) expecting parents spend hours researching names online or in "1000 baby name ideas"-books. My parents love my name. I hate it. There are too many of us for names to be a unique identifier. First names are too generic to say anything about us, and they're usually assigned at birth, before any of our traits are known. Family names are even worse; here's your…

It depends on the jurisdiction. In the Netherlands changing your given name(s) is possible if you can convince a judge of its negative impact on you. Gender transitioning is an obvious rationale, but a well-worded explanation of why your current name doesn't match who you are or damages you (e.g., past traumatic experiences, abuse, but also a name simply not suiting you) tends to suffice.

It's not something you can get done at a whim or frequently of course. The judge will weigh the needs of society (i.e., to be able to consistently refer to citizens by a constant name in various types of records) against your personal motivation for changing names.

Re: Kevinism

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post #16
post #6

It also applies here in France, especially northern/eastern parts close to Germany. Well, not for Chantal, which is not a very exotic name here.

Living as a (expat) Kevin in The Netherlands for many years and I've never heard this. Might be that my friends are just polite. Interested to know if this is well-known to those who grew up in The Netherlands.

Kevin was a typical nineties name: http://www.meertens.knaw.nl/nvb/naam/is/kevin

Home Alone came out in 1990.

Kevin does have some lingering association; the lower socio-economic class stigma is there, but not that strong. Keep in mind that for someone born in an Anglo-Saxon country, that stigma would not necessarily apply. It tends to be limited to Dutch-born folk.

Chantal on the other hand seems to carry a much stronger connotation of a lower class background.

Re: Kevinism

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post #7

My name is Kevin. I'm 27 and I'm from (west) germany. Most people I get to know will bring the topic up. I got a master's degree in physics and I have heard people say something like 'your name doesn't fit your profile at all' more times than I can count. I've seen girls in my sphere discard guys on Tinder partly due to being named Kevin. People do joke about the name and that's ok. It's not terrible but it isn't gre…

same. being named kevin is a hard life in germany, but sometimes i can't help but wonder if it actually benefited me in some way. it tought me a great lesson about people being spiteful without realising it, just because it's been established by the social environment that you live in. while some people are just consciously being dickheads, others might have this negative stigma associated with the name Kevin without ever meeting a person named Kevin. to me this is fascinating and in my opionion extends in some ways to people being racist or homophobic without ever meeting people of the "other group".
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