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FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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For real. I saw a woman go through security at seatac with a frozen 1.5L bottle. They seem very willing to let the system be gamed.

Technically ice is not a liquid, so she was within the letter of the law.

Sigh..

And you're indeed correct. And that must have been chilled for a long time to freeze that quantity. (Edited: thought you said 1.5l of alcohol)

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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They'll just scan the serial number when it passes through the x-ray machine, then use some OCR script to process the image and upload it to https://support.apple.com/15-inch-macbook-pro-battery-recall /s

Ppl here aren’t so good with sarcasm

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Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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In case you're wondering whether your Macbook Pro needs to be serviced: https://support.apple.com/15-inch-macbook-pro-battery-recall

Also

https://appleid.apple.com/account/manage

is a good way to get serial numbers of all your devices in 1 spot.

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Not quite as bad as it sounds. > Laptops that have replaced batteries won’t be impacted Edit: re how to check, in theory you could prove it was fixed by showing the service receipt from Apple. In practice, I have no idea what would happen. But I feel like you'd get through if you showed up with a printed receipt taped to your laptop.

I'm lost as to how this will be effectively enforced. I've got a 2015 15" MBP that I use as a daily driver and after submitting the serial to apple shows

"It's not in the affected serial number range. Our records show that your device has already been serviced as part of this Program."

But how on earth would the TSA ever know to check or tell the difference, unless they ask you straight up.

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

#136

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Yes I've seen them and it's driven by the misguided quest for the thinnest, form over function devices while refusing to accept that battery technology is not yet up to the task. Particularly when you consider the volatile Lithium based tech which is sensitive to heat, let's put them in enclosed cases where lots of heat is generated, make them non removable, what could go wrong. Here I just put something rough togeth…

Except, as already noted, batteries in current Macbooks are not one rectangular slab like that. Take a look at the inside of the current Macbook Pro: https://i.imgur.com/pTZjbuZ.jpg That's a "battery" that's actually six separate batteries, fit around and underneath the structural components of the touchpad. Make it a single piece that can be neatly removed like your would-be concept image and you cut battery life in…

More than one way to skin a cat though. Make the lid, keyboard, and electronics removable and treat the battery as part of the case?

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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Doesn't this tiptoe the line with a breach of privacy? Once the computer is unlocked, is there anything stopping them from just seizing devices if they want to review data?

From my understanding, TSA security isn't customs, so it isn't a constitution suspended zone.

The TSA does it as well, not having any valid justification has never stopped security theater before.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/12/tsa-surveillan...

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

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post #137

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From my understanding, TSA security isn't customs, so it isn't a constitution suspended zone.

The TSA does it as well, not having any valid justification has never stopped security theater before. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/12/tsa-surveillan...

TFA: A TSA spokesman, Matt Leas, declined to comment on the lawsuit but said: “TSA does not search the contents of electronic devices.”

So my guess is that they aren’t supposed to do this, and if a judge ever got the case, the TSA would be in lots of trouble if found doing it.

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

#139

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Doesn't this tiptoe the line with a breach of privacy? Once the computer is unlocked, is there anything stopping them from just seizing devices if they want to review data?

From my understanding, TSA security isn't customs, so it isn't a constitution suspended zone.

I would think that you have the right to refuse to show them, and they have the right to refuse to let you through security.

Flying is not a constitutionally protected activity... see, for example, the legality of un-appealable no-fly lists.

Re: FAA Bans Recalled Apple Laptops from Flights

#140
This doesn't mean that TSA will be checking serial numbers. It means that people will be scared and consider checking if they need a recall, and completing it, instead of delaying.

It does mean that if you bring a laptop for which the recall applies onto a plane, you could be found at fault if it crashes. Assuming you live and they're able to read the serial number from it, anyways. I assume that comes with some sort of financial liability, which at the (iirc) ~$12mil/person cost of life used by the USgov + the cost an entire plane, seems a bit much to risk.

Battery recalls are risk-of-death recalls. Do not put off repairs.

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