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Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by pinkfoot »

pimmen wrote: post #286
rolltiide wrote: post #266

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The constitution of Hong Kong known as the "basic law" allows for Beijing's military action. Corresponding mainland Chinese law allows for military action in Hong Kong when things seem unmanageable for the city's government. Defacing state property and paralyzing the airport seem to be Exhibit A and B? There isn't any framework where this would be seen as illegal or illegitimate. Even under a foreign power's "nationa…

> There isn't any framework where this would be seen as illegal or illegitimate. Doing it just to effectively end "One China, two systems" would absolutely be breaking a teaty. Which is illegal.

Presumably, you are expecting a similar response when the UK breaks the GFA treaty with Ireland? Bombs, sanctions, yes?

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by Supermancho »

selimthegrim wrote: post #193
levosmetalo wrote: post #167

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> The US went to war, in Europe's backyard, to stop a genocide of Muslims with the Kosovo War. Bullshit. The US went to Kosovo war to show Europe they are bunch of incompetents, and to show others it doesn’t pay of to be Russian ally, like Serbia. There was no genocide on muslims, there was only a fight of regular troops against separatist terrorists, which were supported by various international Islam terrorist grou…

Somehow I doubt the KLA was on Iran and Saudi's top friends list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosovo_Liberation_Army

Not sure what "top friends list" means, but SA isn't represented by all forces born there, anymore than Blackwater mercenaries are always acting as a US proxy.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by simonh »

tombh wrote: post #96
simonh wrote: post #86

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>Why aren't we talking more about the history of HK's creation, namely the Opium wars? Because the people of Hong Kong have no responsibility for the Opium Wars perhaps? I'm not sure what you are actually suggesting. >The real "crime" here is that we're so morally bankrupt and out of touch with history that all we can do is watch and tweet hashtags. Ok, what do you want to do?

Then who does have responsibility? Surely you're not suggesting that all is forgiven and forgotten once the perpetrators are dead? I'm suggesting that, figuratively, if you actually knew that you lived by a volcano, the emotional shock caused by its eruption could be tempered by some foresight. The Opium Trade and Wars were evil and at a massive scale, I just don't see how that can be spun any other way. How was this…

Responsibility for what? Either the people of Hong Kong are entitled to their opinions and freedoms, or they are not.

I don't see why the actions of some dead British guys from 150 years ago have anything to do with whether that it true or not?

Nobody is spinning the opium wars in any way. You are the one who brought up the topic.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by pimmen »

pinkfoot wrote: post #361
pimmen wrote: post #286

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> There isn't any framework where this would be seen as illegal or illegitimate. Doing it just to effectively end "One China, two systems" would absolutely be breaking a teaty. Which is illegal.

Presumably, you are expecting a similar response when the UK breaks the GFA treaty with Ireland? Bombs, sanctions, yes?

What does my theories about International reactions on Brexit and the Irish border have to do with the legality of China using troops to forcefully break another treaty? Would China’s action become legal depending on what I answer?

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by monocasa »

magduf wrote: post #356
monocasa wrote: post #344

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So following that logic Intel's fab has no competitors. : /

Basically, no, it doesn't (unless something has changed a lot since I worked there; I haven't kept up very much since then). Intel designs and makes their own chips, so they don't want or need a contract manufacturer. This is like saying Ford's factories have no competitors, and that's true too. Ford isn't going to farm out their car manufacturing to some other company. (I mean the final assembly; of course carmakers…

Just because they're vertically integrated doesn't mean they don't have competition, just that it's difficult to judge one half of the business on its own.

Intel's own messaging in this regard refers to the competition.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/foundry/sunit-rikhi-...

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by reissbaker »

dragonsh wrote: post #309
reissbaker wrote: post #240

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In case anyone is confused by this shill, the protests in HK aren't about HK wanting a closer relationship with the mainland. Quite the opposite in fact. Parent commenter is trying to spread propaganda while claiming "fake news" on the other side. Source: friends who live in Hong Kong and are eyewitnesses at the protests.

No one doubt this protest is about losing relevance of Hong Kong resulting in house, education and health problems. I am the one saying the original title and Twitter is fake news. Indeed it is conflating the facts to foment protest. If there is a protest in New York and national guards are having something in Philadelphia, anyone can conflate the facts to make it national guards summoned to end violent protest in NY…

The "five demands" of the protest are:

* Withdraw the extradition bill

* Carrie Lam resigns

* Protests are not categorized as riots

* Full independent inquiry into the police

* Release of imprisoned protestors

Nothing to do with housing or any of your other claims.

And it is hard to believe the army being summoned to Shenzhen (just across the HK border) or "leaking" videos of training to use force against people dressed as HK protestors is a random accident.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by majia »

rorykoehler wrote: post #66
majia wrote: post #52

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Being substantive means replying to the actual argument instead of questioning the credibility of the person who makes an argument.

The OP started without substance while trying to smear HKers fighting for their freedom from the authoritarian CCP so why attack the person who highlights the suspicious nature of the accusers account? We live in a world of ever increasing propaganda. Pointing it out is as substantive as it gets. If anything your message is better suited for the OP. They did exactly what you are flagging the child comment for.

If you think OP is smearing, you can refute his argument with facts and flag his comment. It’s a human bias to think someone whom we disagree with has a malicious agenda. Democracy can survive the worst oppression, but will perish if we fail to conduct civilized discussion and start accusing and labeling each other when we disagree.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by resters »

hjanssen wrote: post #16

This is really bad and definitely triggers memorys of the Tiananmen massacre. I'm very interested how the rest of the world is going to react to these developments considering the position of China only got stronger since the Tinanmen situation. I recognized that the reaction of e.g. Germany was considerably weaker to the HK protests than e.g. the Arab Spring protests, but I guess we just have to wait and see. Edit:…

> This is really bad and definitely triggers memorys of the Tiananmen massacre.

It certainly looks bad. But let us not forget how the US treats our own "Tank Man", Chelsea Manning.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by pinkfoot »

pimmen wrote: post #364
pinkfoot wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Presumably, you are expecting a similar response when the UK breaks the GFA treaty with Ireland? Bombs, sanctions, yes?

What does my theories about International reactions on Brexit and the Irish border have to do with the legality of China using troops to forcefully break another treaty? Would China’s action become legal depending on what I answer?

Because the current UK government’s Brexit position will cause them to violate the GFA treaty with Ireland.

Its the same behavior.

I presumed you would have been able to make the leap.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by magduf »

monocasa wrote: post #365
magduf wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Basically, no, it doesn't (unless something has changed a lot since I worked there; I haven't kept up very much since then). Intel designs and makes their own chips, so they don't want or need a contract manufacturer. This is like saying Ford's factories have no competitors, and that's true too. Ford isn't going to farm out their car manufacturing to some other company. (I mean the final assembly; of course carmakers…

Just because they're vertically integrated doesn't mean they don't have competition, just that it's difficult to judge one half of the business on its own. Intel's own messaging in this regard refers to the competition. https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/foundry/sunit-rikhi-...

Ok, that's about Intel's "custom fab" business, which would indeed compete with TSMC. When I was there, that didn't exist AFAIK, they just made their own chips, so I wasn't aware of this (as I said, I haven't kept up much with that company since I left).
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