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Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Post by ASalazarMX »

breatheoften wrote: post #228
ASalazarMX wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Epstein could use his immense resources and connections to make sure that someone was looking the other way when he attempted. If we're entering conspiracy theory territory, why couldn't Epstein use said resources and connections to find a lookalike/prop artist, buy people and fake his own suicide?

It’s not actually a conspiracy theory to suggest that — all that’s required is ordinary corruption.

Another possibility that doesn't require a conspiracy theory: Epstein's death is fake but blatantly obvious because he agreed to be a protected witness.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Post by Lambdanaut »

ASalazarMX wrote: post #291
breatheoften wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not actually a conspiracy theory to suggest that — all that’s required is ordinary corruption.

Another possibility that doesn't require a conspiracy theory: Epstein's death is fake but blatantly obvious because he agreed to be a protected witness.

That's also a conspiracy theory...

A conspiracy theory is just a theory that a group is conspiring without the knowledge of others. In this case, the conspiring group is the one faking the death.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Post by mieseratte »

faissaloo wrote: post #222
mieseratte wrote: post #200

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So how do you know it’s a common occurrence?

I assume it is because it's been the case every time I've read an article on police coverups of prison deaths.

> I assume it is because it's been the case every time I've read an article on police coverups of prison deaths.

"Every time I read an article on bagels it's about bagels!"

I'm asking how common is cover-up in relation to prison-suicide, not if it occurs at all.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Post by mieseratte »

mayankkaizen wrote: post #276
mieseratte wrote: post #170

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> it's often case that prison 'suicides' are in fact covers for police brutality gone too far How often?

Are you implying that prison suicides are always genuine suicides? Are you denying that police doesn't commit extreme brutality? How can anyone give a number? Sure, one can give a number for suspicious cases but how can anyone say for sure that a given suicide was in fact a murder? Can you always access the actual information regarding what happens in jail? How often do you think Black people are mistreated by police…

> Are you implying that prison suicides are always genuine suicides?

I'm asking how often they are cover-ups.

> Are you denying that police doesn't commit extreme brutality?

I'm asking how often they are cover-ups.

> How can anyone give a number? Sure, one can give a number for suspicious cases but how can anyone say for sure that a given suicide was in fact a murder?

Maybe someone has done some research into this or is otherwise more informed than I and I would love to know.

> Can you always access the actual information regarding what happens in jail?

No but one can certainly try.

> How often do you think Black people are mistreated by police? What are the actual numbers of black people being subjected to police brutality? If you cannot provide the actual numbers, does that mean it doesn't happen at all.

That's irrelevant to my question.

> I am all for data but many times I feel like people ask for data just for the sake of derailing the otherwise meaningful discussion or because they're trying to be over smart.

Sometimes I feel like people derail a thread because they're presumptuous and read too much into a simple question.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Post by kurthr »

ada1981 wrote: post #256
ada1981 wrote: post #202

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This perspective was reached after a discussion with a top adviser of Trump, Clinton, Obama and other world leaders.

Its very HN to get downvoted for sharing a perspective and how one arrived at it. Acosta said the reason he didn’t give him a harsher sentence back in 2007 was because he “belonged to intelligence”. >> He’d cut the non-prosecution deal with one of Epstein’s attorneys because he had “been told” to back off, that Epstein was above his pay grade. “I was told Epstein ‘belonged to intelligence’ and to leave it alone,” he…

Wow, you literally have to go to Jared Kushner's magazine to find that out... of course there is other controversy as well, but it seems a bit self serving.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Observer_Media

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Post by kurthr »

ada1981 wrote: post #202
kurthr wrote: post #73

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Because a well known creep with a $B doesn't already explain it? Instead we postulate an extra hundred horrible people all keeping a terrible secret... that also have terrible OpSec so they pay people off all the time. Or the "underage girls" were actually fembots designed in an underground lair by radio controlled sharks?

This perspective was reached after a discussion with a top adviser of Trump, Clinton, Obama and other world leaders.

So you spoke with a political elite who has a vested interest in spinning the story... that's clarifying.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Post by ASalazarMX »

Lambdanaut wrote: post #292
ASalazarMX wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Another possibility that doesn't require a conspiracy theory: Epstein's death is fake but blatantly obvious because he agreed to be a protected witness.

That's also a conspiracy theory... A conspiracy theory is just a theory that a group is conspiring without the knowledge of others. In this case, the conspiring group is the one faking the death.

I never thought of the witness protection program as a conspiracy, but I guess it fits.

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Post by burfog »

goalieca wrote: post #165
vnchr wrote: post #68

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If I was his attorney, I would have advised he negotiate for a lighter sentence in exchange for cooperation around bringing others to justice. Standard practice. He could have gotten off with a light sentence and brought many others to justice. He’s literally done that before.

It sounds like trump was involved in at least one instance. I don’t think any lawyer would advise against flipping on that turd sandwich while Moscow mitch is running the senate.

1. banning Epstein from all Trump properties due to Epstein's inappropriate behavior toward an underage girl

2. being the one acquaintance willing and eager to talk with the prosecutor for Epstein's first case, and thus enabling the prosecution to make progress

Re: Jeffrey Epstein: Financier 'found dead in cell' in New York

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Post by makomk »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #239
whamlastxmas wrote: post #169

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There's zero evidence of this.

Certainly testimony anyway: https://www.snopes.com/news/2016/06/23/donald-trump-rape-law...

That case was odd. It's not clear that the plaintiff even exists. The addresses on record for her in the court system were bogus, journalists haven't been able to speak with her, she was a no-show at the press conference promoted by her lawyer where she was supposed to appear, and all of the lawsuits were dropped before she could testify.
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