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Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by davedx »

grezql wrote: post #27
whoisjuan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Nobody runs Windows Server on the Cloud" is a massive stretch. It may not be a leader but it's definitely used https://www.datanyze.com/market-share/operating-systems/wind... Also if your stack is .NET you definitely need Windows Server. Even Amazon has some things built on .NET/Windows Server (woot.com)

.net core, which the flagship of the future, is cross platform. I am running it in ubuntu production environment for an App i made. Very stable.

Yes and no. I work on some ASP .NET applications and on a big .net core project.

The .net core project indeed runs fine on Linux in AWS. It's a great success story for us.

The ASP .NET projects I maintain have a budget that doesn't easily allow us to just migrate them to .net core. There are some hairy legacy libs and code in there that would also prove challenging to resolve too.

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by toomuchtodo »

letstrynvm wrote: post #37
toomuchtodo wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But you forgot to tell us WHY it is acceptable for Microsoft to charge their customers a premium for using their fully purchased licenses on a cloud provider of their choice rather than dedicated physical hardware. And why it is ok for Microsoft to create an artificial monopoly for these licenses via Azure Dedicated Host. Because they wrote and own the software you are interested in licensing. If you don't like the…

s/principal/principle/g If they stop people making money from it, it's not open source any more.

If properly licensed, it’s still open source. Free as in speech, not as in beer.

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

bogwog wrote: post #42
ptah wrote: post #23

are they trying to get more people to use linux? because that's how you get more people to use linux

I don't understand why anyone would even want to use Windows. You're taking on a huge risk for very little to no benefit. It's not like there's a shortage of engineers familiar with Linux in the world.

Depends on the app. Legacy LoB / Enterprise stuff is very Windows-centric. For example, think of the huge sub-industry of “component vendors” that service the legacy Visual Basic ecosystem. If your CTO says they want that LoB system _in the cloud_ without rewriting it then you’re in the market for a Windows cloud provider.

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by DannyB2 »

belltaco wrote: post #18
Someone1234 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You seem to think simply re-stating the facts is enough to dismiss the article. But you forgot to tell us WHY it is acceptable for Microsoft to charge their customers a premium for using their fully purchased licenses on a cloud provider of their choice rather than dedicated physical hardware. And why it is ok for Microsoft to create an artificial monopoly for these licenses via Azure Dedicated Host. Microsoft sold l…

Why is it okay for Nvidia to disable parts of a fully working chip in order to sell it as a more popular and cheaper part? Why is it okay for them to disable features in the PC vs Workstation drivers on the same hardware that you bought? Why is it okay for Apple to legally restrict OS X from running inside a VM or on a PC? Welcome to price differentiation.

> Why is it okay for . . . .

It's not okay.

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by okmokmz »

jxcole wrote: post #2

It's pretty hard to get upset about this since nobody actually runs Windows Server on the Cloud anyway. Even Azure is dominated by Linux server usage.

Not even close to true. The last project I worked on had a Windows Domain entirely hosted in AWS with Windows server instances including DCs, CAs, SQL servers, etc.

>Three years ago, Mark Russinovich, CTO ofAzure, Microsoft's cloud program, said, "One in four [Azure] instances are Linux." Then, in 2017, it was 40 percent Azure virtual machines (VM) were Linux. Today, Scott Guthrie, Microsoft's executive vice president of the cloud and enterprise group, said in an interview, "it's about half now, but it varies on the day because a lot of these workloads are elastic, but sometimes slightly over half of Azure VMs are Linux." Microsoft later clarified, "about half Azure VMs are Linux."

https://www.zdnet.com/article/linux-now-dominates-azure/

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by Nullabillity »

zaroth wrote: post #48
tedivm wrote: post #34

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It's worse than you're describing- Microsoft is charging one licensing price if you're on their cloud but another price if you're on someone elses. This anticompetitive behavior is what we expected from Microsoft in the 90s and early 2000s.

What about the license makes Azure specifically cheaper? Does it call out Azure specifically? Or rather, you can use the on-prem license in the cloud, but only on dedicated hardware? If so, Azure Dedicated Instances would be able to use that form of the license, but why not AWS which also has a dedicated hardware option?

From the blog post[0]:

> Azure Hybrid Benefit for Azure only

[0]: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/licensing/news/updated-licen...

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by Ididntdothis »

bogwog wrote: post #42
ptah wrote: post #23

are they trying to get more people to use linux? because that's how you get more people to use linux

I don't understand why anyone would even want to use Windows. You're taking on a huge risk for very little to no benefit. It's not like there's a shortage of engineers familiar with Linux in the world.

In a lot of companies Windows is where it’s at. There is just no way to change this.
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