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Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by crag »

shyneeup wrote: post #3

Now I am curious, who runs production customer facing apps on Azure? I'm assuming many people do given that Azure is second after AWS in market share or is that really just mostly corporate IT servers?

//Now I am curious, who runs production customer facing apps on Azure? I'm assuming many people do given that Azure is second after AWS in market share or is that really just mostly corporate IT servers?

The government does. Though AWS and IBM are also used. In other words, entries outside the bubble.

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by bogwog »

ptah wrote: post #23

are they trying to get more people to use linux? because that's how you get more people to use linux

I don't understand why anyone would even want to use Windows. You're taking on a huge risk for very little to no benefit. It's not like there's a shortage of engineers familiar with Linux in the world.

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by Dayshine »

tedivm wrote: post #34
Traster wrote: post #7

Well this article doesn't seem very good. Not least because the author seems perfectly willing to not actually explain the detail, and then jump to conclusions. Having read the actual detailed article what seems to be happening is that some customers buy "on-premises licenses" without mobility rights, and MSFT used to let them use those licenses on outsourced hardware. But people were using those licenses to just put…

It's worse than you're describing- Microsoft is charging one licensing price if you're on their cloud but another price if you're on someone elses. This anticompetitive behavior is what we expected from Microsoft in the 90s and early 2000s.

Yeah, they charge more if you're on their cloud.

Isn't that kinda the opposite?

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

imglorp wrote: post #29
drummyfish wrote: post #16

> the bad old days of Microsoft being an anti-competitive bully are dead and buried. Wait, there are people who genuinely believe this?

Plenty of us still have CALS-mares. The Man will use license terms to control what you deploy and where and how - it's more than just a purchase of a Thing that you can use because it comes with FUTURE terms that can change, forever. See also weekend thread on Cisco locking users out of their own hardware. This is why there is Free software -- free as in choice, not free as in beer -- so users don't get locked in or…

At least Microsoft isn’t pulling an Oracle... yet.

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by abarringer »

bogwog wrote: post #42
ptah wrote: post #23

are they trying to get more people to use linux? because that's how you get more people to use linux

I don't understand why anyone would even want to use Windows. You're taking on a huge risk for very little to no benefit. It's not like there's a shortage of engineers familiar with Linux in the world.

Just because you run windows doesn't mean you like it. SQL Server, vendor app requirements etc. A windowless world is about as likely as a paperless bathroom and for the same reasons.

Also, not sure what huge risk you are talking about here besides licensing pricing?

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by celticmusic »

grezql wrote: post #27
whoisjuan wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Nobody runs Windows Server on the Cloud" is a massive stretch. It may not be a leader but it's definitely used https://www.datanyze.com/market-share/operating-systems/wind... Also if your stack is .NET you definitely need Windows Server. Even Amazon has some things built on .NET/Windows Server (woot.com)

.net core, which the flagship of the future, is cross platform. I am running it in ubuntu production environment for an App i made. Very stable.

Over time what you're implying here is true, but in the short term there are a lot of people stuck on .net Framework and it's difficult to get off of it.

It should absolutely be done, any company with old .net framework solutions that are not actively looking at moving them to .net core is being foolish.

But lots of companies are foolish.

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by misterdoubt »

lurker458 wrote: post #28
belltaco wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it okay for Nvidia to disable parts of a fully working chip in order to sell it as a more popular and cheaper part? Why is it okay for them to disable features in the PC vs Workstation drivers on the same hardware that you bought? Why is it okay for Apple to legally restrict OS X from running inside a VM or on a PC? Welcome to price differentiation.

applying price differentiation on a product that you already sold to double dip is pretty scummy

Perhaps, but that's not happening here. The Windows license change doesn't retroactively apply to existing licenses.

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by zaroth »

tedivm wrote: post #34
Traster wrote: post #7

Well this article doesn't seem very good. Not least because the author seems perfectly willing to not actually explain the detail, and then jump to conclusions. Having read the actual detailed article what seems to be happening is that some customers buy "on-premises licenses" without mobility rights, and MSFT used to let them use those licenses on outsourced hardware. But people were using those licenses to just put…

It's worse than you're describing- Microsoft is charging one licensing price if you're on their cloud but another price if you're on someone elses. This anticompetitive behavior is what we expected from Microsoft in the 90s and early 2000s.

What about the license makes Azure specifically cheaper? Does it call out Azure specifically?

Or rather, you can use the on-prem license in the cloud, but only on dedicated hardware?

If so, Azure Dedicated Instances would be able to use that form of the license, but why not AWS which also has a dedicated hardware option?

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by misterdoubt »

slips wrote: post #35
belltaco wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it okay for Nvidia to disable parts of a fully working chip in order to sell it as a more popular and cheaper part? Why is it okay for them to disable features in the PC vs Workstation drivers on the same hardware that you bought? Why is it okay for Apple to legally restrict OS X from running inside a VM or on a PC? Welcome to price differentiation.

If one wishes to price like that, they do it from the start. We have more than enough history to show that you don't offer customers something for one price scheme and then change it in the middle to get even more money out of them. It doesn't work and only causes problems.

This applies to new licenses purchased starting in October. It's not "in the middle."

Re: Microsoft Screws Azure Customers and Its Own Advocates Alike

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Post by meesterdude »

whoisjuan wrote: post #11
jxcole wrote: post #2

It's pretty hard to get upset about this since nobody actually runs Windows Server on the Cloud anyway. Even Azure is dominated by Linux server usage.

"Nobody runs Windows Server on the Cloud" is a massive stretch. It may not be a leader but it's definitely used https://www.datanyze.com/market-share/operating-systems/wind... Also if your stack is .NET you definitely need Windows Server. Even Amazon has some things built on .NET/Windows Server (woot.com)

I know a few .NET stacks being served up on linux servers (no MS DB, obviously)
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