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The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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He exhibited petulance, short temper, violence, and extremism. Hypersane doesn't really seem to apply. That's probably because the people who wrote about the character weren't thinking in those terms.

You seem to operate on some other set of historical books and accounts than what is readily available.

Can you really say that a collection of fan-fiction is in any way historical?

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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> Based on this article, there is absolutely no way to distinguish "Hypersanity" from just plain old insanity. I don't see it this way at all. Plain old insanity can manifest as typical (or atypical) behavior combined with absurd, easily disprovable beliefs. Hypersanity as described leads to atypical behavior and worldview via a reasoned dismissal of widely accepted values, but nothing wrong on it's face or disprovab…

The article mentions "conversing with beings which cannot be perceived by anyone but the person themselves" as a canonical example of hypersanity. I find that pretty comparable to "believing you are covered with spiders when you are not". >you are conflating epistemology and ethics The interpretation that the idea of hypersanity refers only to ethics is due to you and you alone, as the article states nothing to that…

I'm not saying it refers only to ethics, I'm saying that you are conflating ethics and epistemology when you say that sanity==beneficial. Sanity refers to a combination of rationality and accurate enough perceptions of the factual state of the world. Rationality means able to make logical inferences, and when you talk about perceptions of the factual state of the world that is epistemology.

A soldier who jumps on a grenade to save his friend isn't automatically insane, but it's certainly not beneficial to the soldier. You would probably counter by pointing out that 'beneficial' depends on what the soldier thinks is best, but that is ethics!

So to say sanity (which is an epistemological concept) is the same as benefit (which can only be defined with reference to an ethical framework) are the same thing, you are directly conflating two very distinct things.

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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I have friends who are doing this. They live on land rent-free which is owned by someone who wishes property ownership wasn't a thing. They grow their own food. They dumpster dive for perfectly good food. They process and eat roadkill deer. These people live fulfilling lives and work to contribute to each others' well-being and the well-being of others. I'm working on finding a similar living situation for my partner…

What happens to the deer population when everyone in the US starts road-killing them for food?

With their natural predators mostly eradicated, the deer population could do with a good culling in many states. Disclaimer: I've eaten deer in the past. However, now I'm not so sure I'd choose deer as a protein source. I'd rather not expose myself to Chronic Wasting Disease[1]. It is not a pleasant way to die.

1. https://www.cdc.gov/prions/cwd/occurrence.html

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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post #180

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The article mentions "conversing with beings which cannot be perceived by anyone but the person themselves" as a canonical example of hypersanity. I find that pretty comparable to "believing you are covered with spiders when you are not". >you are conflating epistemology and ethics The interpretation that the idea of hypersanity refers only to ethics is due to you and you alone, as the article states nothing to that…

I'm not saying it refers only to ethics, I'm saying that you are conflating ethics and epistemology when you say that sanity==beneficial. Sanity refers to a combination of rationality and accurate enough perceptions of the factual state of the world. Rationality means able to make logical inferences, and when you talk about perceptions of the factual state of the world that is epistemology. A soldier who jumps on a g…

Sanity does not mean necessarily "holding only true beliefs". I believe the issue here is we do not define sanity in the same way.

Given your example of the soldier jumping on a grenade - clearly they value the life of their friend more than their own. Therefore, it is beneficial to them.

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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post #174

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Also, please do not condescend to me by saying stuff like "so-called third world countries". I live in a third world country and I will call third world countries what they are. People suffer here under corrupt kleptocrats every day, and I will not have people try to deny that suffering by saying stuff like "so called third world countries", implying that the "third world" is actually doing great or something.

No idea I was pushing your buttons. Sorry. Actually I don't see where you did use that term?

I didn't. Guess I assumed I had used it based on your response.

Sorry for overreacting.

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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post #116

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I don't think Jared Diamond belongs on your list of "rent-a-quote new-age theorists"

He got a pretty hearty serve for his last book in the reviews I read. Guns, germs & steel was long time ago now.

GGS has itself been served repeatedly since its publishing, it’s not at all taken seriously.

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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Go visit back-to-landers hippies from the early 70s, they lived quasi of-grid for almost 50 years now, all play music everyday, some of them (the youngest) can still ride their horses everyday, and they eat whatever they grow. Poorest people in the US, poorest than some homeless, but they still live really well, and better than most i shall say. They chose how to live their dreams, did it for ~50 years and still ende…

That also means they don't get many of the benefits of modern society, I would think. What do they do when their child becomes a type 1 diabetic? Or goes into shock from an allergic reaction?

Same thing that happens to people in New York City who can't afford fast-acting insulin or EpiPen? Your two examples are telling given the current state of pharma business.

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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post #41

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And yet we can reject our nature.

To what end? If we accept the heat death of the universe and the fact nothing can go faster than light everything is bound to disappear. Trying to better Earth based life is useless. Then why bother trying to attain something higher? Just maximize your own pleasure until your conscience disappear. Suicide by psychedelic use is the only "hypersane" response.

“The only serious question in life is whether to kill yourself or not.” - Camus

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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post #67
post #41

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And yet we can reject our nature.

To what end? If we accept the heat death of the universe and the fact nothing can go faster than light everything is bound to disappear. Trying to better Earth based life is useless. Then why bother trying to attain something higher? Just maximize your own pleasure until your conscience disappear. Suicide by psychedelic use is the only "hypersane" response.

The unvoiced assumption here is that the universe is fundamentally knowable through rational materialism.

Among the many things we've learned from science is that there are real phenomena that we cannot perceive. We use microscopes, telescopes, x-ray machines and other sensors of all kinds which create simulacra of the real phenomena which we can perceive.

Extend the analogy to our brains -- consider that there are literally thoughts we cannot think. Our brains tells us there are no thoughts we can't think, but our brains may be liars. Is there a way for our brains to grasp the literally incomprehensible?

Re: The hypersane are among us, if only we are prepared to look

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post #67

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To what end? If we accept the heat death of the universe and the fact nothing can go faster than light everything is bound to disappear. Trying to better Earth based life is useless. Then why bother trying to attain something higher? Just maximize your own pleasure until your conscience disappear. Suicide by psychedelic use is the only "hypersane" response.

Not everyone comes to this conclusion, one line of reasoning is: because there shouldn’t be a meaningless universe in the first place, it must actually have meaning.

The belief that the universe must have a purpose is a trap. It leads you down a particular line of reasoning that ends with you believing in a creator god (or gods), or that the universe itself is divine. You would likely also reason that you have a purpose in the universe that dictates your actions (adherence to religious dogma or doctrine). All of this is baseless and rationalized without objective evidence. Your only certain "purpose" in life is that which you, yourself make.
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