Why do I ask?
I remember 15 years ago, say 2004, technical sites weren't commercial. Except Experts Exchange ofcourse.
Nowadays I can't trust opinions of people because I fear they are selling me something. Framework authors are only building frameworks on the side, their real business is building a hosted service for whatever they are building.
Nothing wrong with that.
I just miss a simpler time. And want a slice of that again.