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Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by adventured »

hjanssen wrote: post #16

This is really bad and definitely triggers memorys of the Tiananmen massacre. I'm very interested how the rest of the world is going to react to these developments considering the position of China only got stronger since the Tinanmen situation. I recognized that the reaction of e.g. Germany was considerably weaker to the HK protests than e.g. the Arab Spring protests, but I guess we just have to wait and see. Edit:…

> China only got stronger since the Tinanmen situation

It's a rather remarkable difference at this point.

The US economy was 16 times larger than China at the end of 1989. Japan was nine times larger. China was only about 45% larger than South Korea back then.

China's military spending today is equal to at least a third the size of its economy in 1989 inflation adjusted.

There's a reason why there are no major protests occurring in the Middle East re Xinjiang. One would expect an enormous outpouring of anger and protest, boycott, mass demonstrations and burnings of the Chinese flag and Xi's effigy 24/7. They know it won't make any difference and it'll just anger China; they have almost zero influence to affect China's behavior. Most of the world feels that way.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by majia »

rorykoehler wrote: post #35
majia wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please follow HN guidelines and refrain from personal attack. Assume good faith and be substantive.

What wasn't substantive about the GP's post? It was factual to a fault.

Being substantive means replying to the actual argument instead of questioning the credibility of the person who makes an argument.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by nerdy »

Quiark wrote: post #44

~~This is basically fake news, or a hoax, a very popular one. The videos are not current.~~ EDIT: It is true China is doing some military performance in SZ to scare off the protesters. But the PLA has not entered HK as that would seem unwise. What is happening instead is Chinese police or army likely working inside the HK police force.

Do you have any links to previous posting(s) of the videos? When are they from?

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by ackbar03 »

Oh man they absolutely cannot come into Hong Kong, it would be a totally stupid move. Honestly in the grand scheme of things they can afford for Hong Kong to just descend into chaos and completely collapse economically or whatever. The minute they send troops over the whole picture changes and everyone loses

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by jckt »

Quiark wrote: post #44

~~This is basically fake news, or a hoax, a very popular one. The videos are not current.~~ EDIT: It is true China is doing some military performance in SZ to scare off the protesters. But the PLA has not entered HK as that would seem unwise. What is happening instead is Chinese police or army likely working inside the HK police force.

I actually thought that the whole "mainland infiltrates HK police" conspiracy was just PRC-phobia (which is a real problem in HK when it becomes xenophobic, sadly) but there's actually been evidence of it (albeit not much). If you're interested you can find videos of a riot policeman saying 「退後一點」 to protesters (and other weird sentences), which is extremely awkward in Cantonese (instead Cantonese would be 「褪後啲」 or something, sounds totally different), especially if you're in an intense situation.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by SilkRoadie »

I might be misinformed but it looks to me like a lot of protests in Hong Kong are state orchestrated.

The escalation in protests seemed very sharp. The ransacking of parliament appeared to have been allowed. There was no police presence at all. Almost as if they were being purposefully held back.

I might just have my tin foil hat on. I wouldn't be surprised though if Chinese groups have escalated mostly peaceful protests while police have been held back to create a situation which requires full Chinese state involvement.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by loceng »

tus88 wrote: post #53

The title makes it sound like Shenzen is not part of China. You don't "enter" part of your own country.

Well, yes, language does have its inherent tone that culture adopts - "arriving to Shenzen" certainly sounds like a normal behaviour, however this seems anything but normal.
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