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Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Sigh. Hopefully we won't get a repeat of the Tiananmen square massacre. I've not seen any nations speak out about the HK protests. Unlike, say, when many expressed support for the Arab Spring.

How much money did private enterprise make from the Arab Spring? Hundred billion or so? To pretend like it was a moral issue is insane. Most people don't care in the slightest in democratic countries. Virtually every country involved in sending troops couldn't point to it on a map nor talk about the region with any sort of knowledge. We walked in and replaced Hussein with ISIS. It will go down as 21st century Vietnam…

The previous strongmen regimes were rather better for foreign investors than the current regimes and foreign investors would probably rather have seen stable governments gradually improving rights for foreign investors (certainly as an investor in one of those countries at the time through my work, from a purely business perspective I would have preferred a more peaceful path towards democracy). I don't think foreign investors were cheerleading the Arab spring therefore.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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When this guy says "military", we need some specificity. Is this the People's Liberation Army, or the People's Armed Police? They may look the same on the surface but they are very very different organizations with different uses and implications. Stuff I've already read suggests the PAP is in Shenzhen on standby, not the PLA.

http://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy-defence/article/212...

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-12/global-times-shows...

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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We should have applied the same policy of containment to China, that was used against the Soviet Union. But instead we let our greed get in the way, and now we've created an (arguably) evil superpower.

How’s Russia working out for us and for the Russian people these days? Or Belarus, or Poland?

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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~~This is basically fake news, or a hoax, a very popular one. The videos are not current.~~

EDIT: It is true China is doing some military performance in SZ to scare off the protesters. But the PLA has not entered HK as that would seem unwise.

What is happening instead is Chinese police or army likely working inside the HK police force.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect the real reason is fear of retaliation from China... Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Norway_relations...

Sure, both are consequences of the same overall point: the west doesn't have the same power over China that it had over the AS countries.

> Sure, both are consequences of the same overall point: the west doesn't have the same power over China that it had over the AS countries.

China PR (the de facto mainland government) already blames the US for Hong Kong protests. Things will get worse if we do something overt.

https://archive.fo/VHiXL

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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We should have applied the same policy of containment to China, that was used against the Soviet Union. But instead we let our greed get in the way, and now we've created an (arguably) evil superpower.

How’s Russia working out for us and for the Russian people these days? Or Belarus, or Poland?

At least they're not getting rolled over by tanks.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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post #44

~~This is basically fake news, or a hoax, a very popular one. The videos are not current.~~ EDIT: It is true China is doing some military performance in SZ to scare off the protesters. But the PLA has not entered HK as that would seem unwise. What is happening instead is Chinese police or army likely working inside the HK police force.

Citation required.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How’s Russia working out for us and for the Russian people these days? Or Belarus, or Poland?

At least they're not getting rolled over by tanks.

did you know russian army drove tanks at people in multiple cities when soviet union fell apart? google january 20th tragedy, warning: its graphic

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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The reason to send in the PLA would be to increase the level of violence, but there’s no reason to risk the backlash of sending them in when the HK police can do the job too—even if the Central People’s Government were to suddenly decide that live ammunition is needed, they would still be able to rely on the HK police. The deployment of troops is therefore almost certainly, as was noted in the SCMP, a statement of intent as opposed to a sign that there will be a deployment of troops.
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