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Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by A2017U1 »

Tharkun wrote: post #4

Sigh. Hopefully we won't get a repeat of the Tiananmen square massacre. I've not seen any nations speak out about the HK protests. Unlike, say, when many expressed support for the Arab Spring.

How much money did private enterprise make from the Arab Spring? Hundred billion or so?

To pretend like it was a moral issue is insane. Most people don't care in the slightest in democratic countries. Virtually every country involved in sending troops couldn't point to it on a map nor talk about the region with any sort of knowledge. We walked in and replaced Hussein with ISIS. It will go down as 21st century Vietnam.

China has nukes. Absolutely nothing will happen regardless, just like 30 years ago. Perhaps some more outrage on twitter I guess?

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by majia »

lewi wrote: post #12
Tigah_pawszzz wrote: post #3

Just a side note: 1. Hong Kong, at least on paper, is ruled by a governing entity elected by Hong Kong people. Mainland party hasn’t acted yet because, again, on paper, this is a Hong Kong issue. But things could get messy when Hong Kong government cries for help 2. The protest started when a bill that many feared could be used to target and deport anti-China citizens. Hong Kong government was quick to withdrawn and…

Claims without citations, 5 day old account, comment history shows user is from china: not sure if I'd trust the comment.

Please follow HN guidelines and refrain from personal attack. Assume good faith and be substantive.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by dukoid »

icebraining wrote: post #18
Tharkun wrote: post #4

Sigh. Hopefully we won't get a repeat of the Tiananmen square massacre. I've not seen any nations speak out about the HK protests. Unlike, say, when many expressed support for the Arab Spring.

Unlike the governments of the countries in the Arab Spring, China knows the west won't try anything (overtly), so a statement would only look foolish and help their claims that the protests are orchestrated, rather than serving as a warning.

I suspect the real reason is fear of retaliation from China... Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Norway_relations...

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by ptah »

trilila wrote: post #20

Strange how putrid governments find members of society happy to oppress other members of the society. Such as those soldiers happily waiting to execute orders against the freedoms of their fellow citizens.

i think the communist party has successfully managed to get most citizens to view themselves as part of a larger community more than as individuals

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by killjoywashere »

hjanssen wrote: post #16

This is really bad and definitely triggers memorys of the Tiananmen massacre. I'm very interested how the rest of the world is going to react to these developments considering the position of China only got stronger since the Tinanmen situation. I recognized that the reaction of e.g. Germany was considerably weaker to the HK protests than e.g. the Arab Spring protests, but I guess we just have to wait and see. Edit:…

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Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by tg180 »

Tigah_pawszzz wrote: post #14
JulianMorrison wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pictures we're seeing is of cops beating, rubber-shooting and tear-gassing protesters in tight spaces without obvious provocation.

Every story has two sides and things on the other side - police officers bitten to bleed or eyes flashed by high power laser pointers. The sad thing is, we gotta take whatever the media feeds us:)

HKers are protesting because (for historical and economical reasons) they have been blessed by an incredible fortune, a fortune that's shaming away.

We could talk about reasons and sides, but that's misleading and unproductive. The sad reality is that China is a "Unitary one-party socialist republic", a bad euphemism for an undemocratic country ruled by a single dictatorial party.

There's a lot of misinformation surrounding the violence of protesters, but let's not forget that these officers are protecting the interests of a regime.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by PlasticTank »

Tigah_pawszzz wrote: post #3

Just a side note: 1. Hong Kong, at least on paper, is ruled by a governing entity elected by Hong Kong people. Mainland party hasn’t acted yet because, again, on paper, this is a Hong Kong issue. But things could get messy when Hong Kong government cries for help 2. The protest started when a bill that many feared could be used to target and deport anti-China citizens. Hong Kong government was quick to withdrawn and…

> Hong Kong, at least on paper, is ruled by a governing entity elected by Hong Kong people

Except it's not, top leadership is elected by a small council of business owners and other high ranking members of society, the people they are allowed to vote for are selected by Beijing and anyone they don't like is vetoed out.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by Tigah_pawszzz »

harimau777 wrote: post #7
Tigah_pawszzz wrote: post #3

Just a side note: 1. Hong Kong, at least on paper, is ruled by a governing entity elected by Hong Kong people. Mainland party hasn’t acted yet because, again, on paper, this is a Hong Kong issue. But things could get messy when Hong Kong government cries for help 2. The protest started when a bill that many feared could be used to target and deport anti-China citizens. Hong Kong government was quick to withdrawn and…

Is it generally thought that the protesters attacking police are legitimate protesters as opposed to agent provocateurs?

They could be provocateurs, and sadly there’s no way to verify this for now. My point is, to judge things fair and square you gotta hear from both sides:D

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by darkhorn »

thenaturalist wrote: post #5
Tigah_pawszzz wrote: post #3

Just a side note: 1. Hong Kong, at least on paper, is ruled by a governing entity elected by Hong Kong people. Mainland party hasn’t acted yet because, again, on paper, this is a Hong Kong issue. But things could get messy when Hong Kong government cries for help 2. The protest started when a bill that many feared could be used to target and deport anti-China citizens. Hong Kong government was quick to withdrawn and…

What's your source for claims 3 & 4?

You can see their propaganda here https://reddit.com/r/sino This is pro-China propaganda sub-reddit. For example if you write something that they don't like then they are going to ban you for life. Very interesting, it is like from Soviet Union or North Korea.

Re: Chinese military entering Shenzen, just across the border with Hong Kong

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Post by icebraining »

dukoid wrote: post #23
icebraining wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unlike the governments of the countries in the Arab Spring, China knows the west won't try anything (overtly), so a statement would only look foolish and help their claims that the protests are orchestrated, rather than serving as a warning.

I suspect the real reason is fear of retaliation from China... Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China%E2%80%93Norway_relations...

Sure, both are consequences of the same overall point: the west doesn't have the same power over China that it had over the AS countries.
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