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Re: NULL license plate not such a bright idea

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I read years ago in comp.risks about a similar story. A guy in 1979(!) requested a personalized plate "SAILING", with second choice "BOATING". He didn't want a customized plate if he couldn't get those, so for his third choice he put down "NO PLATE". Of course, he ended up with "NO PLATE". He ended up getting 2500 parking tickets, since cars with no plate had "NO PLATE" written on the ticket. References: http://www.m…

I remember a different story where the guy had to fight every ticket in court

It has happened multiple times.

NULL, NV, XXX, MISSING, NO PLATE

Re: NULL license plate not such a bright idea

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post #282

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I remember a different story where the guy had to fight every ticket in court

On the plus side, he could also contest legitimate tickets unless they recorded other information.

It is nowhere near that easy.

http://100parkingtickets.com/

Re: NULL license plate not such a bright idea

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post #275

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> Droogie hasn't done anything wrong That's arguable, actually. The article states, but doesn't provide evidence, that Droogie "hoped it might confuse automatic license plate readers or the DMV's ticketing system". If this was done in an attempt to evade enforcement of existing laws, then sorry: that's a crime, folks. You aren't allowed to pen test live systems!

Why would that be a crime? Intent is irrelevant. The crime is that the DMV is running shit code that is wrongly accusing people of crimes.

Intent is absolutely relevant in criminal law. The phrase "with the intent of" or "for the purposes of" appears everywhere in the field. Go browse through the quoted text of the CFAA here and see what you can find: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_Fraud_and_Abuse_Act

I'm not interested in getting involved in a philosophical discussion about whether anarchic hacking "should" be a crime. I'm saying that given the text of that article, an enterprising prosecutor could probably get a conviction for one.

Don't fuck with other people's systems. Even (and especially) when they're running shit code.

Re: NULL license plate not such a bright idea

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post #275

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Its a matter of principle though. Droogie hasn't done anything wrong, and is receiving fines due to errors made by the DMV. You're right that when faced with a choice between acting on principle vs acting pragmatically/for one's own benefit/convenience/need, people often don't have the luxury of (or patience for) choosing the former. But it's nice to see when someone does.

> Droogie hasn't done anything wrong That's arguable, actually. The article states, but doesn't provide evidence, that Droogie "hoped it might confuse automatic license plate readers or the DMV's ticketing system". If this was done in an attempt to evade enforcement of existing laws, then sorry: that's a crime, folks. You aren't allowed to pen test live systems!

Is the punishment for that crime loads of unrelated parking tickets?

That's a weird legal system going on over there.

Re: NULL license plate not such a bright idea

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> 10% more security (6.55 vs. 5.95 bits per character) That's not how this works. By your logic having a password consisting of 1,2,3,4 is only twice as secure as having just 1,2.

That's absolutely how bits of entropy work.

That's most definitely not how security works. The strength of your password is not proportional to the number of bits of entropy it has.

Re: NULL license plate not such a bright idea

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Yes, this is terribly annoying, often there is a minimum length but no mention of maximum length. I see this on many, many websites...

What kind of range limits are you talking about? 30? 100?

Often it's 20. Not sure why 20 is so common.

Re: NULL license plate not such a bright idea

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post #184

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>Avoid backticks in passwords. Is there even a reason to include special characters in passwords? They add 10% more security[1] but cause all sorts of issues with systems. Just use an alphanumeric password that's 10% longer, and if special characters are mandatory, use a safe character at the end like _ or -. [1] 6.55 bits per character (all printable ascii characters) rather than 5.95 (only alphanumeric)

If passwords are hashed should any character be prohibited at all?

Some do MD5($password) in a sql string.

I don’t... but i’ve seen it

Re: NULL license plate not such a bright idea

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post #43

I read years ago in comp.risks about a similar story. A guy in 1979(!) requested a personalized plate "SAILING", with second choice "BOATING". He didn't want a customized plate if he couldn't get those, so for his third choice he put down "NO PLATE". Of course, he ended up with "NO PLATE". He ended up getting 2500 parking tickets, since cars with no plate had "NO PLATE" written on the ticket. References: http://www.m…

Similar thing happened to someone in DC with "NO TAGS"

https://www.nbcwashington.com/investigations/The-20000-Ticke...

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