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Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

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Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

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This is why we need standard, swappable battery packs. You pull into a "filling station" and a robot pulls your used pack and pops in a new one. 5 minutes, in and out. Sad thing is, this isn't a new idea. People just don't seem to want it.

That adds a huge expense to and already expensive proposition.

Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

#42

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There's a guy with a Tesla around the corner from me, who does this (cable out the 2nd floor window), and he does park on the street. Not sure what he does if he can't get a space close enough. (A neighborhood of row houses with little off-street parking) I think the car makers have to accelerate integrating solar charging into their cars. You probably wouldn't get 100% of your charge that way, but you could get enou…

Leaf had a solar charger as a gimmick. It doesn't work. There isn't enough panel space.

The Leaf solar charger is for the 12 volt system, which is separate from the main battery. I can't really conclude if it is a gimmick or not but my 12 volt battery has not yet died. To be fair, the car also charges the 12 volt battery when it is plugged in.

Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

#43

I used to run an extension cord out of my 2nd floor window, but I wasn't parking on the street. My space was off the driveway, behind a fence and a gate, but only about 12 feet from the curb. More recently, I had been parking an electric car in my apartment's lot, and running an extension cord from the exercise room, out to the car. Then the apartment decided to close off those outlets. In both cases, the car's batte…

There's a guy with a Tesla around the corner from me, who does this (cable out the 2nd floor window), and he does park on the street. Not sure what he does if he can't get a space close enough. (A neighborhood of row houses with little off-street parking) I think the car makers have to accelerate integrating solar charging into their cars. You probably wouldn't get 100% of your charge that way, but you could get enou…

I wonder what pedestrians et al. think about the cable running across the sidewalk. I don't think this solution scales well, also from an insurance perspective.

Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

#44

Why does everyone need a place to charge at home? Sure, it is one of the big advantages of an EV, but not everyone can take advantage of it. If the car has a 300-400 mile range, then charge it like you fuel up a gas-powered car. Takes a little bit longer, but that will improve over time.

The inconvenience of charging away from home is much bigger than you make it out to be. Other posters here are mentioning ~40 miles of charging in an 18 hour period. That's pretty dang restrictive.

No one who charges an EV away from home is charging at that rate, that's for an at home 'trickle' charger. Look up any L2 charger and you're well above that rate, and rates are only going for public chargers.

Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

#45

I used to run an extension cord out of my 2nd floor window, but I wasn't parking on the street. My space was off the driveway, behind a fence and a gate, but only about 12 feet from the curb. More recently, I had been parking an electric car in my apartment's lot, and running an extension cord from the exercise room, out to the car. Then the apartment decided to close off those outlets. In both cases, the car's batte…

There's a guy with a Tesla around the corner from me, who does this (cable out the 2nd floor window), and he does park on the street. Not sure what he does if he can't get a space close enough. (A neighborhood of row houses with little off-street parking) I think the car makers have to accelerate integrating solar charging into their cars. You probably wouldn't get 100% of your charge that way, but you could get enou…

Not substantially, no.

Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

#46
This story reveals an underlying problem, DC charges are still too slow compared to gas stations. You can fill a gas car en less than 5 minutes, compare to Level 3 charges that still requires an hour. This causes a severe convenience problem for electric cars. if you are running out of gas and still need to use the car, you can quickly solve the problem at a gas station; with electric cars what if you still need the car? (You had a pretty busy day), you are no good for more than 6 hours while the car charges.

Certainly, it will be a good business opportunity for the company who figures out how to take charge time to gas station levels.

In Condominiums, metered charges could be installed in each appartment parking lot. For those who don't have a garage or parking lots, small public charging stations could be used, although the charging time problem would need to be solved.

Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

#47

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I imagine the same people who are garage orphans are probably also those who haven't got time to charge their machines for an hour or two. That's already a concern for road trips, but day to day that'll be a nightmare. Just hang around the charging station for an hour while your car recharges.

The latest generation of cars and chargers don't need an hour to charge. A Tesla Model 3 can already charge at 250 kW, which is over 1000 miles per hour. Practically speaking, that means a decent charge in less than 20 minutes. On a long trip, most stops for gas take around that long anyway by the time you use the restroom, buy supplies, eat, etc. The newest chargers being installed today go up to 350 kW, so the char…

I buy the "use the restroom, buy the supplies, eat" argument for long road-trips, where it's probably a good idea to stop for 30 min to relax. But not for the fill-up during your commute to/from work when you can't charge at home.

Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

#48

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Have you spoken to your local city about getting charging pedestals installed? Or having chargers added to street lights? Have you spoken to your workplace about having any amount of chargers installed? Progress is not a function of time. The transition to electric mobility will require effort, but is not impossible. I am happy to speak to whomever is required to work towards having chargers installed near your home…

"Progress is not a function of time", this is a really deep quote.

I use it too much, but it's true. The world gets better when people put effort into it, not just because time passes, and its important to remind others that complaining is cheap but doesn't pay dividends like fixing problems. Along with the idea “A society grows great when old men [people] plant trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit”. Learn to enjoy planting the proverbial trees, the future will be thankful; and to be frank, we owe the future better than today. It is on loan to us, and we should act accordingly.

Re: Where will ‘garage orphans’ charge electric cars?

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Put them I supermarket car parks. It can charge while you're shopping. Anyway, I would dispute there are people that can't find the time, they may not want to spend 2 hours a week filling up the car, but just like you don't find cars abandoned at the side of the road now, because owners can't find to time to fill up, the problem isn't going to be appreciably worse in the future.

It's a matter of scale though - filling up with gas is a 5 minute, once every two weeks activity. If you're filling up for 10 minutes every day or an hour a week, that's a hard sell.

Charging an EV is not really like filling up with gas. You need a slightly different mindset.

You're not going to be waiting around constantly for your car to finish charging. In reality, you're charging at night while you're sleeping. Or charging at work while you're working. Or charging at the supermarket while you buy your groceries.

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