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Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected

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Re: Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected

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How about passing laws which forbid tracking users like this and levying steep, business-ending fines against the companies who don't step in line?

No problem. All your favourite online services are no longer free though, what a bummer. Will it be a lite, regular or premium Google maps subscription? How about Facebook Messenger?

Not a bummer, great.

Re: Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected

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How about passing laws which forbid tracking users like this and levying steep, business-ending fines against the companies who don't step in line?

No problem. All your favourite online services are no longer free though, what a bummer. Will it be a lite, regular or premium Google maps subscription? How about Facebook Messenger?

Sounds good. At the minimun these tracker giants should be regulated to offer the option to use their services as a paying customer without tracking.

Re: Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected

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post #151

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Well, that is a bit paranoid.

It's not though? If your goal is to avoid having your every move online tracked by companies hoping to earn money from spying on you, what Stallman does is one of the few strategies which work.

You can take various actions to improve your privacy. At some point it becomes a paranoia. If you are fetching web pages on a remote server and email stuff to yourself then I would say it is becoming paranoia.

And I would say what Stallman does probably gives him a very unique fingerprint (wget ting web pages from a unique server). I doubt he is doing that for privacy.

Re: Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected

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post #37

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Plenty of sites respect user privacy. I should know; I run dozens of them.

I feel like this is a reference to ‘Arrested Development.’

Haha, it was indeed my inspiration. But it's also true! Dozens! :)

Re: Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected

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If Google really wants to fix this, they could always have Incognito mode detection as a negative ranking factor.

I wonder if it's occured to these sites that essentially they're poking the bear. Sure, Chrome can slowly patch these issues, but there's always a possibility that Google just turns around and says "Hey guys! I search engine crawler looks like incognito chrome! Fuck you!"

Re: Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected

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You don’t need detailed tracking to run ads. Newspapers did it in the time before the internet. What did occur, is that advertisers could not be sure of performance so placed more value on the prominence and reputation of the media source. National well reputed papers got the best deals, regardless of real world performance. It will lead to tight localization again, as advertisers can’t rely on Google just selecting…

This it could have the side effect of killing independent journalism startups. Big media is already too entrenched. These big newspaper websites do already sell ads directly too - DoubleClick can serve both Adsense (usually as a backup) as well as their own inventory.

There are drawbacks to every option. Given the choice between a surveillance state and a propaganda state, I will always choose the latter - at least you get some agency over what media you consume and which statements you believe. Surveillance is forced on you, and invisibly at that.

Re: Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected

#168

If Google really wants to fix this, they could always have Incognito mode detection as a negative ranking factor.

Alternatively, instead of fixing these issues by making the incognito mode detection break, they should fix them by making regular mode look like incognito mode. Suddenly, all readers are blocked from reading NYTimes for half a day while they scramble to remove it from their site. Then they can start teaching sites that relying on hacks isn't a viable, sustainable strategy.

Re: Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected

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post #150

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I whitelist cookies; only sites that I have a known relationship to (e.g., HN, for login) get to set cookies. The overwhelming majority of the web still works just fine. It's trivial to pick out what doesn't, as it either tends to: a. require cookies for some inane task that doesn't need them, and it tells me this b. breaks horribly. Typically, JS trying to access LocalStorage, but not checking whether the call was s…

Or you can just freely allow all cookies from any website that wants to set them (sites will be happy and working), but only for current browser session. You have to remember to restart the browser every now and then, though. Then use whitelist to selectively allow cookies from some "friendly" sites to be stored permanently.

I clear all browser data upon exit.

Overkill? Maybe, but it works for me.

Re: Google Chrome Incognito Mode Can Still Be Detected

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post #15

Can this fight ever be won? If you've been browsing the internet for more than 5 minutes you already have cookies from some of the major ad networks. Therefore if you do not have cookies from the major ad networks, you're either a brand-new device or an incognito browser. All that is left to do is get in bed with the ad network to ask them if they have good cookies for this session. As it so happens most of the compa…

Yes, Google is committed to patching out anything used to detect incognito mode. If they make good on that promise detection will become harder and harder until it becomes practically impossible.

Incognito mode can be made to look exactly as if you opened your browser after creating a new profile and immediately opening the site. As long as they can’t afford to block these users it can be made to work.

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