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Rich Hickey stops Clojure funding appeal from 2011 onwards

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Re: Rich Hickey stops Clojure funding appeal from 2011 onwards

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A 14 line article is too long to read?

You'd be surprised by how many people read only comments unless/until they're motivated to read TFA. shrug

Many articles have been making it to the main page that aren't really worth reading. To avoid those I scan the comments first and then read the article.

Scanning the comments also gives me some additional background on topics I may not be familiar with.

Re: Rich Hickey stops Clojure funding appeal from 2011 onwards

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I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this. He's basically complaining that people think they own him (or his time) because they donated money. I've seen that, and it's terribly unfortunate. I was right with him until I saw "I encourage businesses using Clojure ...to discuss options for corporate support for Clojure." Seems to me he'd run into similar problems from corporate sponsorships. Am I missing someth…

Corporate support != corporate sponsorship. When you get a support contract from Red Hat (for example), you aren't donating money to the development of Linux like a sponsorship; you're indirectly supporting Linux development, but really what you're interested in is either (a) specific solutions to specific problems, or (b) getting access to people should a problem arise in the future during the term of the contract.

Is that really true though? If Company XYZ is your biggest support contract, they'll have influence over you, wouldn't they?

Re: Rich Hickey stops Clojure funding appeal from 2011 onwards

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Oh well. I hope that the majority of the community is not like that. Just to restore some balance in the universe: I have donated and I don't expect any obligation in return.

Me too, I contributed to help him continue what he'd started, since I liked the results. If you try to change what's working, it most likely will not end up better off...

Re: Rich Hickey stops Clojure funding appeal from 2011 onwards

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I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around this. He's basically complaining that people think they own him (or his time) because they donated money. I've seen that, and it's terribly unfortunate. I was right with him until I saw "I encourage businesses using Clojure ...to discuss options for corporate support for Clojure." Seems to me he'd run into similar problems from corporate sponsorships. Am I missing someth…

The expectations per dollar funded are much lower for a business.

Individuals think a $100 contribution gives them some reason to bring up issues. Corporations think something similar for a $100k contribution.

Re: Rich Hickey stops Clojure funding appeal from 2011 onwards

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporate support != corporate sponsorship. When you get a support contract from Red Hat (for example), you aren't donating money to the development of Linux like a sponsorship; you're indirectly supporting Linux development, but really what you're interested in is either (a) specific solutions to specific problems, or (b) getting access to people should a problem arise in the future during the term of the contract.

Is that really true though? If Company XYZ is your biggest support contract, they'll have influence over you, wouldn't they?

    they'll have influence over you, wouldn't they?
Only for the items relevant to the contract terms.

Re: Rich Hickey stops Clojure funding appeal from 2011 onwards

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post #23
post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Corporate support != corporate sponsorship. When you get a support contract from Red Hat (for example), you aren't donating money to the development of Linux like a sponsorship; you're indirectly supporting Linux development, but really what you're interested in is either (a) specific solutions to specific problems, or (b) getting access to people should a problem arise in the future during the term of the contract.

Is that really true though? If Company XYZ is your biggest support contract, they'll have influence over you, wouldn't they?

Of course they will try to influence you if you let them. You have to make it clear that development of new features (or fixes to issues for which there is no reasonable workaround) is not part of the support contract and they will be separately billed for it. This is how it works everywhere I've worked at.
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