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How shrinkflation is playing havoc with economists’ models

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Re: How shrinkflation is playing havoc with economists’ models

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Interestingly, considering how passionately you’re defending the “in Sweden” part, shops very often circumvent this law by simply folding the piece of paper that displays the comparison price so it’s hidden. This is extremely widespread, if not totally universal when it comes to really expensive items. No-one ever seems to care or notice - I often unfold the paper so the price shows again, as it’s one of my pet peeve…

I've never seen this happen, and I look at the price every time I buy groceries.

Wow. This is ridiculously derailing the general discussion, but I don’t know whether you can PM me an email address or something, but when I get back to Stockholm tomorrow I could photograph and send you any number of images showing this happening.

It does indicate both how blind Swedes are to the faults in their own country, and how passionately defensive they are though.

Edit: This doesn’t seem to me to be highly relevant to the general discussion on shrinkflation, but to avoid the very active downvotes I’ll post to imgur tomorrow evening (when back in town).

Re: How shrinkflation is playing havoc with economists’ models

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Sweden passed the law in 1991 and joined the EU in 1995 — and as usual, stating "this exists in country X" is not insinuating "this only exists in country X".

Relax a bit. The only point GP was trying to make is that it's not just Sweden but in many EU countries it's also a law. There is no need to be aggressive.

To be honest, it is your "relax a bit" and "no need to be aggressive" comments that are kind of passive-aggressive.

In the whole history of relaxing, no one has ever relaxed after being told to relax a bit.

Re: How shrinkflation is playing havoc with economists’ models

#133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never seen this happen, and I look at the price every time I buy groceries.

Wow. This is ridiculously derailing the general discussion, but I don’t know whether you can PM me an email address or something, but when I get back to Stockholm tomorrow I could photograph and send you any number of images showing this happening. It does indicate both how blind Swedes are to the faults in their own country, and how passionately defensive they are though. Edit: This doesn’t seem to me to be highly r…

You could post it on a site like imgur and post the link here. No need to derail the discussion.

Re: How shrinkflation is playing havoc with economists’ models

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I believe it's based on what the pack displays, if its grams then they show price per gram, if its ml, likewise. I suppose its still possible to game with own label goods, from what I've observed it only seems to come up in a limited range of goods, sauces and suchlike. I havent weighed a litre of oil, but a litre of water is a kg, so water based goods should be fairly comparable ml to g, that's the basis I work on a…

A lot of stores in Germany do something else, where they'll use the price per 100g for one brand and price per 1kg for another in order to make it just slightly harder to realize how expensive something is at a glance.

This is very true, common with e.g. cheese where the pricier cheeses are often per 100g. Still easy to compare but somewhat shady.

Re: How shrinkflation is playing havoc with economists’ models

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In Sweden, "jämförelsepris" (comparison price) is mandatory for many goods. This means stores have to, in addition to price, display "price per gram" or whatever unit makes sense. This way, you can quickly compare different groceries despite differing packages, and shrinking the item for the same price would be visible when looking at the comparison price.

Interestingly, considering how passionately you’re defending the “in Sweden” part, shops very often circumvent this law by simply folding the piece of paper that displays the comparison price so it’s hidden. This is extremely widespread, if not totally universal when it comes to really expensive items. No-one ever seems to care or notice - I often unfold the paper so the price shows again, as it’s one of my pet peeve…

Interesting, I haven't seen (or noticed) this. I'll try to keep an eye open for it, although I mostly shop in a rural area where I suspect is different from Stockholm.

Re: How shrinkflation is playing havoc with economists’ models

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In the US it’s not mandatory, and most supermarkets do it anyway.

Nine states have mandatory unit pricing laws: Connecticut, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New York, Oregon, Rhode Island, Vermont. Also DC.

I had no clue that was primarily a Northeast Corridor thing. I wonder if this stems from being the region that invented the price tag in the first place. [1] Curiously Pennsylvania (primary concentration of religious group that invented the price tag, the Quakers) doesn't make that list.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_tag#History

Re: How shrinkflation is playing havoc with economists’ models

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post #66

In Sweden, "jämförelsepris" (comparison price) is mandatory for many goods. This means stores have to, in addition to price, display "price per gram" or whatever unit makes sense. This way, you can quickly compare different groceries despite differing packages, and shrinking the item for the same price would be visible when looking at the comparison price.

In The Netherlands they bypass this by having one of the item brands in 'price per subitem' and one in 'price per kg'. So say you buy some chocolate. Both are in a 12 piece carton. Brand A will note €0,10 per piece whereas brand B will note €0,15 per 100g.

Re: How shrinkflation is playing havoc with economists’ models

#139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never seen this happen, and I look at the price every time I buy groceries.

Wow. This is ridiculously derailing the general discussion, but I don’t know whether you can PM me an email address or something, but when I get back to Stockholm tomorrow I could photograph and send you any number of images showing this happening. It does indicate both how blind Swedes are to the faults in their own country, and how passionately defensive they are though. Edit: This doesn’t seem to me to be highly r…

I merely presented anecdata contrary to your experience, that does not in any way indicate any kind of blindness to faults or mean I'm passionately defensive.

If you shop in stores that break the law you should take it up with the store manager, store owner, Stockholm's konsumentvägledare [0], or Konsumentverket [1]. They're violating the law [2]. I hope you had a nice vacation outside of Stockholm, no need to add an extra errand to your list when you're back in town.

[0] https://www.stockholm.se/ByggBo/konsument/Kontakta-konsument...

[1] https://www.konsumentverket.se/aktuella-konsumentproblem/anm...

[2] https://www.riksdagen.se/sv/dokument-lagar/dokument/svensk-f...

Re: How shrinkflation is playing havoc with economists’ models

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This article is not as strong as the headline implies. The "models" being mentioned are supply/demand models of price-setting, not the general equilibrium models that inform policy.

The Bureau of Labour Statistics is already wise to the fact that products change over time, and they implement a quality adjustment factor (https://www.bls.gov/cpi/quality-adjustment/home.htm) to mostly compensate. Something simple like adjusting the quantity of stuff in the package is so blindingly obvious it should be fully accounted for in inflation statistics.

Instead, this article (and the research work it's based on) refers to the odd phenomenon of sticky market prices. In particular (from a bit past the easily-accessible blurb of the article):

> Firms that sell thousands of different items do not offer them at thousands of different prices, but rather slot them into a dozen or two price points.

This is not what you'd expect from a textbook model of economics; there's no continuous calculation that would explain why a company should prefer to sell a dozen different shirts for $14.99 despite differences in quality or observed demand.

The research also suggests the tail wags the dog:

> Retailers, Messrs Aparicio and Rigobon suggest, seem to design products to fit their preferred price points. Given a big enough shift in market conditions, such as an increase in labour costs, firms often redesign a product to fit the price rather than tweak the price.

... which is again counterintuitive given that retailers would ordinarily _set_ the price.

Ultimately, the macroeconomic point is made best at the conclusion of the article:

> What’s more, the substitution of quality for price as firms’ main way of responding to changing market conditions weakens the case for keeping inflation low and stable. Inflation makes relative prices less informative, economists reckon, making it harder to decide what to buy and how to spend. Rather than clarity, low inflation has brought a different sort of confusion: one of shrinking chocolate bars and lost holidays.

... which also makes sense given the research finding being reported on. Retailers evidently feel they can't adjust price to reflect quality (and have to go the other way); if inflation were higher but still stable, then everyone would be forced to make these sorts of adjustments more often.

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