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Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by jlgaddis »

The company has issued a "statement regarding recent allegations made at Black Hat 2019 [0]. For anyone interested, the statement links to the guy's paper [1] "where he identified the first Infinite Prime Number prediction pattern".

> Utilizing multi-dimensional encryption technology, including time, music’s infinite variability, artificial intelligence, and most notably mathematical constancies to generate entangled key pairs, ...

I'm not even remotely qualified to speak about any of it but it certainly gives the feeling that they're selling "silicon snake oil". My bullshit detector hit 11 after reading the above.

Supposedly, Grant's discovery enables "the accurate prediction of prime numbers". I'm unable to find out just how many previously unknown prime numbers he has successfully predicted thus far, however. Anyone know?

[0]: https://www.crownsterling.io/2019/08/crown-sterling-issues-s...

[1]: https://arxiv.org/abs/1903.08570

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by RL_Quine »

p1esk wrote: post #9

I also suspect the guy (Robert Grant) is a conman, but whatever scheme he is running is quite elaborate: https://strathspeycrown.com/team Does anyone have an insight as to what their endgame is, and where their funding is coming from?

Having a team page like that is your first red flag.

https://strathspeycrown.com/subsidiary-companies-investments...

> "Strathspey Crown is a visionary portfolio of transformational businesses, focused on the most complex sectors of healthcare, energy, and technology."

This seems to be the parent company, check out some of the goofy things they claim to been involved in. Quotes like "changing the paradigm", "the internet of wellbeing", "where little things make a big difference". It's cookie cutter generic websites for every one of them, most of the time I can't work out what their product is supposed to be or what they're claiming to be working on.

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by p1esk »

RL_Quine wrote: post #12
p1esk wrote: post #9

I also suspect the guy (Robert Grant) is a conman, but whatever scheme he is running is quite elaborate: https://strathspeycrown.com/team Does anyone have an insight as to what their endgame is, and where their funding is coming from?

Having a team page like that is your first red flag. https://strathspeycrown.com/subsidiary-companies-investments... > "Strathspey Crown is a visionary portfolio of transformational businesses, focused on the most complex sectors of healthcare, energy, and technology." This seems to be the parent company, check out some of the goofy things they claim to been involved in. Quotes like "changing the paradigm", "the inte…

But the interesting part is that at least some of the people involved in these companies seem real (e.g. https://www.linkedin.com/in/amira-val-baker-47047123/)

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by RL_Quine »

p1esk wrote: post #13
RL_Quine wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having a team page like that is your first red flag. https://strathspeycrown.com/subsidiary-companies-investments... > "Strathspey Crown is a visionary portfolio of transformational businesses, focused on the most complex sectors of healthcare, energy, and technology." This seems to be the parent company, check out some of the goofy things they claim to been involved in. Quotes like "changing the paradigm", "the inte…

But the interesting part is that at least some of the people involved in these companies seem real (e.g. https://www.linkedin.com/in/amira-val-baker-47047123/ )

One of the products seems to be real and FDA approved.

https://www.drugs.com/newdrugs/fda-approves-jeuveau-prabotul...

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by RL_Quine »

jlgaddis wrote: post #11

The company has issued a "statement regarding recent allegations made at Black Hat 2019 [0]. For anyone interested, the statement links to the guy's paper [1] "where he identified the first Infinite Prime Number prediction pattern". > Utilizing multi-dimensional encryption technology, including time, music’s infinite variability, artificial intelligence, and most notably mathematical constancies to generate entangled…

> Well, I did allude to a draft preprint of some arguments that point out the major issues with Grant's paper he is presenting at @BlackHatEvents. Here is that draft: Reviewing Recent Prime Generation Methods for Breaking Cryptographic Keys

https://twitter.com/LargeCardinal/status/1159204973282025472

https://unprovable.github.io/drafts/Prime_Generation_For_Bre...

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by emn13 »

segfaultbuserr wrote: post #17
naner wrote: post #2

Interesting move trying to push snake-oil in a room full of SMEs.

Yeah, selling snake-oil encryption to a group of professional infosec researchers and cryptographers? Do they even a have brain...

I'm guessing there aren't all that many cryptographers at blackhat; that's quite a different specialty, isn't it? Then again, is also pays to know enough about cryptography to at least identify poorly applies crypto, so there are likely enough people in attendance with surprisingly in-depth knowledge even if crypto isn't technically their specialty.

Re: Black Hat Talk About ‘Time AI’ Causes Uproar, Is Deleted by Conference

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Post by stebann »

When several companies like this one look related and are trying to push some of their "products" into a pro market, it really smells like a money laundering scheme. I have seen schemes like this one in South-America, Brazil specifically, related to "religious" indoctrination. Hope someone in USA investigates this. It looks well funded.
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