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Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by jdnenej »

vinayan3 wrote: post #26
forinti wrote: post #10

I had this idea a while back. I was in a group with just too much useless conversation. So I listed a few things I would like: - customizable posting limits (per day, per week, etc); - timeouts; - time windows (no posts on Sundays, for instance);

I feel like the point of a group chat is to have a channel to speak to a set of people. By having a rate at which you can send messages seems to defeat the purpose of having the communication channel. What if you made a typo or forgot to say something? At the same time group chat does encourage background chatter and it's a bit annoying to put your phone down and see the notification bubble say there is a ton of unre…

You can still edit your messages.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by StavrosK »

zzzcpan wrote: post #91
dewey wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

End to end encryption is not on by default, they even say that in their own FAQ. https://core.telegram.org/tsi/e2ee-simple

So? Encryption is still on by default and end-to-end encryption is a joke anyway when distribution of the app is controlled by the app developer. They can only pinky promise that it's there, but they can compromise it silently on a whim. End-to-end encryption can be pretty useful, but just not in Whatsapp, Telegram, Signal or any app with that level of control.

"So? Only one company can read your chats by default, and privacy is a joke anyway, you need to believe their promises or read the publicly available codebase yourself."

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by tylorr »

kreetx wrote: post #27
Aloha wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram wins for me, because desktop is a first class citizen.

I have both Signal and Telegram and although I don't use as much Telegram to say this with absolute certainty, but Signal definitely has issues on all platforms I use (Android, macOS, Linux) - not deal-breakers, but issues. Telegram on the other hand has had none thus far.

I'm curious to know what issues you have with Signal on Android. I use Signal on Android daily and I haven't had problems with it for a few years now.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by skinnymuch »

codedokode wrote: post #74
tptacek wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I really like Telegram. It being a secure messenger would make it perfect". I'm not really snarking at you; a lot of things would be better if they were also secure messengers; Slack is an obvious example.

Slack is an Electron app, taking about 400-500 Mb of memory and it won't be good no matter if it is secure or not. Also, its UI is over-complicated and looks like it was made by a programmer instead of a designer (by the way, Telegram is the opposite: it is written with Qt and has nicer UI).

Slack is only an electron app on desktops. It’s not just an electron app, at all.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by zzzcpan »

StavrosK wrote: post #102
zzzcpan wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? Encryption is still on by default and end-to-end encryption is a joke anyway when distribution of the app is controlled by the app developer. They can only pinky promise that it's there, but they can compromise it silently on a whim. End-to-end encryption can be pretty useful, but just not in Whatsapp, Telegram, Signal or any app with that level of control.

"So? Only one company can read your chats by default, and privacy is a joke anyway, you need to believe their promises or read the publicly available codebase yourself."

Please explain, how do you think making a promise not to read your messages is different from making a promise by the same company to have a working end-to-end encryption and not willing to compromise it, given the company has a complete control over the app and updates you receive? You can't verify any of it nor that it will be like that with the next update.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by skinnymuch »

dewey wrote: post #9
nikivi wrote: post #2

Boggles my mind how WhatsApp is still a more popular messenger than Telegram by a long shot. Talk about network effects and people not doing their research. Or not caring about UX.

If I have to I use WhatsApp (Using Signal's encryption framework) over Telegram as I don't like to use a russian chat app that came up with their own encryption and doesn't even enable encryption by default. It's not just about UX or not doing research.

Brothers who were originally born in Russia made it. What’s with your bigotry?

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by skinnymuch »

dewey wrote: post #89
zzzcpan wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Telegram is not a Russian company, it has encryption on by default and is literally famous for fighting "scary Russian government" and all those helping Russian government censor it, including the megacorps you for some reason assume are not in bed with the government. And given how fast the west is moving on backdooring mass communications, in a few years Telegram might end up as one of the few unbackdoored apps lef…

End to end encryption is not on by default, they even say that in their own FAQ. https://core.telegram.org/tsi/e2ee-simple

You failed to reply about it not being a Russian company.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by luckit »

codedokode wrote: post #78
tptacek wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My routine reminder that Signal doesn't have these features because they genuinely care about privacy and metadata security, and will withhold basic messaging app features until they know how to provide them without (a) creating a database of every pair of communicating users that they retain serverside and (b) leaking information about conversations to traffic analysis. See: user profiles, GIF sharing, both with rea…

If they care about privacy then why do they require a phone number which is linked to identity and location? If they worry about bot registrations, they could require a small fee in Bitcoins to sign up.

Careful conflating privacy and anonymity

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by johnm1019 »

room505 wrote: post #69

What does everyone think of Microsoft Kaizala? It meets HIPPA requirements and you can backup your messages. It has a lot of group chat features. It also has a beta web chat. I've heard a lot of people in India are moving to it for personal and work chat ilo WhatsApp.

I will ask the ignorant question, why Kaizala and not MS Teams? It also has groups, DMs, picture messaging, office integration, etc... I feel rather overwhelmed lately with all the various messaging options on the market with the same company often having multiple solutions.

Re: Telegram introduces feature to prevent users from texting too often in a group

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Post by ubercow13 »

tptacek wrote: post #17
daybreak wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like the concept of Signal but Telegram has some great features like usernames and public chat groups. In the end, better encryption by itself (Telegram rolled their own) loses out over function. Also, the owners of Telegram are not on good terms with the Russian government (its been banned before).

My routine reminder that Signal doesn't have these features because they genuinely care about privacy and metadata security, and will withhold basic messaging app features until they know how to provide them without (a) creating a database of every pair of communicating users that they retain serverside and (b) leaking information about conversations to traffic analysis. See: user profiles, GIF sharing, both with rea…

Signal might care about the privacy of my information with respect to themselves or eavesdroppers but it is not very effective at protecting my privacy with respect to people I might want to talk to because I have to give them my phone number, which reveals my location and potentially my identity if it is linked to Facebook or something similar.
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