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Helped by the powerful right up to the end
There is no way to humanely force people to tell the public what they know. This doesn't really impact the accusations against him other than preventing people from asking him questions to which he lies as a response. His suicide does not erase the evidence, nor witnesses and accusers.
This sounds too convenient. If this was a suicide and not anything more sinister, this is gross negligence by prison authorities. It was their solemn duty and responsibility to see this person face trial. This will only inflame conspiracy theory minded people to believe there is a vast conspiracy by the powerful to protect themselves. This is depressing. I’m yet hopeful evidence will be used to bring guilty parties t…
I'll do you one better. Is he really even dead, or did he pull a Ken Lay?
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I've been curious why "conspiracy theory" is used exclusively as a pejorative. Turns out that Wikipedia defines it as such: > A conspiracy theory is an explanation of an event or situation that invokes a conspiracy by sinister and powerful actors, often political in motivation, when other explanations are more probable. But who gets to define what is more probable? Why not just "when there is no proof (yet)"? But I g…
Which raises the question - how do you describe an explanation that justifiably (or at least plausibly) relies on conspiracy?
Paraphrase from someone I saw on Twitter (can't find now): Most people have already jumped to the conclusion that he was murdered. That's child's play for conspiracy theorists. The real conspiracy theory is he faked his death!
It's an interesting question whether a person in his position has a right to commit suicide.
No, not really, that doesn't seem like an interesting question at all. Can you convince me otherwise? It seems obvious to me that while a right to commit suicide might exist typically, somebody imprisoned is obviously not entitled to it. We restrict many rights when we imprison people, and I see no reason why the 'right to commit suicide' should not be one of them. Allowing such a man to kill himself denies his victi…
Somewhat related, though tangential - there are countries that do not punish for prison escapes or attempts. You will be put back in jail if caught, and circumstances might be changed to mitigate risk, but the underlying reason is "a fundamental human desire is to be free, and we cannot (additionally) punish for acting upon that desire".
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"Suicide watch" doesn't have a fixed meaning. People on 15 minute observations can and do die by suicide. If someone is at risk and you think obs are going to help (they don't always help, they can make things worse) you need to have them under full time obs. But even then how close does that need to be? Two staff members within arms reach 24 hours of the day, including during eat, bathing, defecating?
hanging only takes ~6 minutes until point of no return. if the neck is dislocated even immediate intervention cant accomplish much for the decedent.
A lot of people talking about how hard it would be for him to kill himself and conspiracy stuff, but if there is a conspiracy then I think it's just as likely that Epstein could use his immense resources and connections to make sure that someone was looking the other way when he attempted. It certainly could be a murder, but I'm not quite as convinced as other people seem... I'm sure it's very convenient for lots of…
> Epstein could use his immense resources and connections to make sure that someone was looking the other way when he attempted. If we're entering conspiracy theory territory, why couldn't Epstein use said resources and connections to find a lookalike/prop artist, buy people and fake his own suicide?
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hanging only takes ~6 minutes until point of no return. if the neck is dislocated even immediate intervention cant accomplish much for the decedent.
It's also very difficult to, from "ground level" dislocate the neck thus. It was the "long drop and the sharp stop" in the gallows which caused neck dislocation (or in poor planning, even decapitation).