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The Problem at Yale Is Not Free Speech

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Re: The Problem at Yale Is Not Free Speech

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The articles contends the rich kids at Yale pretend to be poor to shirk the elite responsibilities, which then leads to deterioration of the elites. I find it doubtful that the kids have thought it through that far. A couple of more likely explanations come to mind:

- Rebellious teenagers always want to establish independence from their parents. Giving up part of the money takes you part of the way there.

- It's hard to be friends with people much poorer than you are - they may not accept you, and you may have hard time adjusting your spending patterns creating various embarrassments. Pretending to be poorer significantly increases the number of people you can be friends with.

As to the deterioration of the elites, I believe that our country lacks raison d'etre, and absent a clear mission people to turn to scrutinizing wealth indicators, culture wars, and such to decide why they get up in the morning. The US used to defend freedom from the Soviets and that was a pretty solid mission in the mind of the missionaries, then it coasted for a while, then tried to fight the terrorism which frankly was never the proper scale of a mission, and now it's just adrift.

Re: The Problem at Yale Is Not Free Speech

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post #2

This mostly makes Yale sound like an extremely unpleasant place to be.

Any place where people LARP and hide themselves behind masks of their own design all day can be caustic, Yale is far from being an outlier.

Your point being?

Re: The Problem at Yale Is Not Free Speech

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i was rooting for some weighty insight but was disappointed by a lack of perspective and coherence. the author writes at length about what yale, and the problem, isn't and much less about about the consequences and potential avenues to shape them. she seems to lack enough life experience to put her critiques into a wider context that's relevant much beyond yale. for instance, the ivy league is viewed through the lens of 3 schools: harvard, yale and princeton, which suggests she's wholly internalized the elitist tunnel vision she decries and can't see beyond.

as far as i can tell, she's saying administrators, students and faculty are at odds, particularly around what it means to have privilege and how to properly account for it (resulting in deadlock & status quo). beyond that, it's hard to tell.

despite the harsh critique, i'm interested to see where this goes. more research and exploratory writing on the subject should help, as she clearly has something she wants to say.

Re: The Problem at Yale Is Not Free Speech

#14
One thing that struck me from the piece (what I could read, before switching to skimming) was the implicit acceptance of the outsized power of Yale people. It sounded like the concern was that they acknowledge and wield this power well. I didn't see a question of whether they should have this power.

Re: The Problem at Yale Is Not Free Speech

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post #2

This mostly makes Yale sound like an extremely unpleasant place to be.

Any place where people LARP and hide themselves behind masks of their own design all day can be caustic, Yale is far from being an outlier.

I'm fairly certain that some group of people LARP at all the Ivy Leagues. I think we all wear masks, though.

Re: The Problem at Yale Is Not Free Speech

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You should see what happens when these people leave university and continue the charade in a variety of broken down diesels. A lot of the worst behaviour I have ever seen by people in travelling communities has been from the expensively educated children of the exceedingly rich, pretending to be gypsies.

Re: The Problem at Yale Is Not Free Speech

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i was rooting for some weighty insight but was disappointed by a lack of perspective and coherence. the author writes at length about what yale, and the problem, isn't and much less about about the consequences and potential avenues to shape them. she seems to lack enough life experience to put her critiques into a wider context that's relevant much beyond yale. for instance, the ivy league is viewed through the lens…

Interestingly, I found parallels for what she was describing in much of society these days. The comics, games, movies, anime, etc... industries are all going through this same sort of thing. And if you look at the skeletal structure of what she describes going on at Yale, it's mirrored almost perfectly in those spheres.

Re: The Problem at Yale Is Not Free Speech

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post #11

The articles contends the rich kids at Yale pretend to be poor to shirk the elite responsibilities, which then leads to deterioration of the elites. I find it doubtful that the kids have thought it through that far. A couple of more likely explanations come to mind: - Rebellious teenagers always want to establish independence from their parents. Giving up part of the money takes you part of the way there. - It's hard…

The author seems pretty confused about rich kids. Having rich parents doesn't necessarily mean that you have a lot of cash in college. (Sensible parents are going to give their college kids enough money to get by, not enough to go on a spending spree.) Thus, it's totally reasonable that college kids are commonly broke. It's not some role-playing to escape their responsibilities as members of the elite. In other words, there's a big difference between being broke and being poor.

Re: The Problem at Yale Is Not Free Speech

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post #14

One thing that struck me from the piece (what I could read, before switching to skimming) was the implicit acceptance of the outsized power of Yale people. It sounded like the concern was that they acknowledge and wield this power well. I didn't see a question of whether they should have this power.

That is the take I got to is if the writer feels that there is some golden age in the past that the "elites" should adhere to.

And academic politics (which the article mentions) have always been nasty.

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