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Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by outericky »

kylec wrote: post #84
outericky wrote: post #78

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By the time they are available, your Tesla will likely be due to replaced anyway. But here's to the future, fellow EV'er.

Deliveries of the Taycan start this year

ok. Deliveries of the model 3 started in 2017. But it took a while to reach critical mass. And some countries still haven't gotten them.

EDIT: "Prices for this ‘Turbo’ launch model will be around £130,000 with cheaper/slower versions kicking off around £65,000 within 18 months of the car’s launch in late 2019. "

So... maybe we'll see some in 2019, but really it's 2021 before more than a few thousand hit the market.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by CapricornNoble »

carwyn wrote: post #68
Shivetya wrote: post #50

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I really wish everyone was competing on range rather than acceleration. Range is the number one reason I went with a LR model 3. I don't give a rats ass about how fast it gets to speed. However it is nice to see an EV with range at least in Tesla territory, granted it still is 2012 territory. I posted before, no premium brand EV should sell anything under 300 miles EPA; I use EPA as it is the one returning the lowest…

I really wish everyone was competing on efficiency. Most journeys require nowhere near the range capabilities of current EVs, instead carrying around excess weight when not required. Similarly on the acceleration side, other than showing off, why do we need cars that can do 0-60 in 2-3 seconds? Those kinds of g-forces are certainly not pleasant for passengers.

>>>why do we need cars that can do 0-60 in 2-3 seconds

So you can pass cars that are driving too slow in the fastlane at highway speeds. 0-60 times are a general indication of the car's torque curve and power delivery. Depending on gearing, there's a pretty good chance a car with crazy-good acceleration will have no problems "bobbing and weaving" around some slowpoke in front of you without requiring hundreds of meters of space in the other lane to facilitate the overtake.

>>>Those kinds of g-forces are certainly not pleasant for passengers.

That entirely depends on the character/personality of your passengers. After a friend's wedding a few months ago I drove some of his relatives to the after-party. These guys were visiting from Hong Kong and don't own cars. Along the way I had an impromptu drag race with a random motorist and my passengers were ECSTATIC. "OMG this car is sooo awesome!!". Most of my friends are similar but they are predominantly car guys anyway. But I have another friend who is more of a "boulevard cruiser" type of guy who gets uncomfortable with aggressive driving. shrug

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by brohee »

lazyjones wrote: post #6
tyfon wrote: post #2

I think this is the first car that is nearing the 2013 tesla model s. I'm also curious about the rapid charge, it was supposed to be 350 afaik but is launching with 150ish only (not 250 as in the web page) and will be increased with software updates in the next few years. I think if they put a proper infotainment system with a big screen like tesla, give free map/system updates and it doesn't suck in efficiency it mi…

> it might actually sell a bit more than etron and i-pace. That's not really hard... Both these models aren't really selling well.

The i-Pace sales are limited by the Austrian factory capacity to make them AFAIK

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by kreetx »

davewritescode wrote: post #31
vvanders wrote: post #9

Glad to see competition finally coming around. That said I still wonder if they're holding back here to not cannibalize other lines. The 0-60 in the 3.5s range is over a full second off Tesla's best and for a performance brand seems like you want to be more in line with Tesla.

They’re also stressing repeatability of 0-60 acceleration where Tesla reports 0-60 on nearly full batteries. The Model3 performance consistency is better than the model s because they improved the cooling system but performance drops off quickly after a couple of runs. I expect the Porsche to deliver consistent performance because that’s what they’ve been talking about for the last 3 years. Specifically, the referred…

How far do the Teslas fall in terms of seconds when you accelerate over and over again?

Otherwise very cool that Porsche has achieved this!

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by jaxn »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #44
davewritescode wrote: post #39

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100% agree with you, I feel like I get treated like a luddite when I tell people I’m not really a huge fan of Tesla. I’ve been looking forward to the Germans entering the electric car market for real. Should force everyone to step up their game.

> I’ve been looking forward to the Germans entering the electric car market for real. Should force everyone to step up their game. So was I. The Audi e-tron was supposed to be that, but I've been massively disillusioned by it's horrible efficiency, high price and inability to produce in volume.

The E-Tron specs aren't up to par, so the Taycan looks like it will be the first real contender. At least in some aspects. It will be interesting to see what Audi's semi-autonomous stuff is like in the real world. If it's on par with Tesla's, then they may be able to fix the e-tron specs in v2.

I was convinced my next car was going to be an Audi, but maybe a BMW. I had a string of VWs and loved German cars. Then my 2.0T blew up with the faulty timing chain (prior to the recall, but we it was obvious there was a systemic problem). VW didn't fix it.

I now drive a Tesla Model 3. Currently there is nothing else close on the market. The Germans definitely lost at least one sale to me.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by jaxn »

tomp wrote: post #48
endorphone wrote: post #46

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Acceleration is the one performance metric that drivers push daily, whether it's merging on the highway, passing, or just a thrill from the light. It is a bit disingenuous to say that it's "easy to achieve" given how it has long been the metric of supercars.

Sure, but not 0-60 acceleration. The joy of driving a Porsche is that you can kick donw th pedal at 130 km/h and still feel the force of acceleration pushing your body into the seat.

0-60 is exactly what makes interstate on ramps a blast. With a wide open ramp, it can be more like 0-80+.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by Ididntdothis »

leesec wrote: post #80
Ididntdothis wrote: post #30

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0-60 is pretty useless and easy to achieve. Good handling is much harder to achieve and requires more development. I would expect a Porsche to handle much better than tesla.

Should try driving a Tesla, they handle amazingly.

I have driven one. It’s nice for cruising along but in corners it’s too soft and you just feel the weight. Definitely not a sports car. That’s ok since it’s not designed to be one.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by cmsonger »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #40
steelframe wrote: post #26

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Oops, you've accidentally presented hard facts criticizing Tesla in a tech forum and have been summarily downvoted! Tesla's ludicrous launch is a party trick. It produces a number to prop up a marketing blurb. "Fastest production car ever!" Tesla has been doing the same sort of thing with "Safest car ever!" to the point that NHTSA recently sent Tesla a cease-and-desist letter over misleading statements about the Mode…

> A properly engineered drivetrain will be able to sustain its launches over several back-to-back activations All cars designed primarily for the highway rather than the track have issues with brake heating, transmission fluid heating, et cetera, and slow down over time. The Model S is extreme in that manner, but the Model 3 slowdowns are are far less extreme than the S's limp mode. > NHTSA recently sent Tesla a ceas…

> than the new Tesla Roadster coming next year

I admire your optimism. I'll buy a 2020 roadster if it's anywhere close to what they describe and released any time soon; but I'm skeptical. (They also need to put a real steering wheel on it.) But I'm thinking it's not anywhere close to their top priority right now and that 2020 may end up being optimistic.

But if they get it out there, it's targeted right on top of the 911 Turbo. Same price, same 2+2 configuration, higher performance, similar utility. Will be interesting to see what happens here. Too bad Tesla is trying to go downmarket. If they were staying more up-market I'd feel more confidence in this car coming out on time.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by cmsonger »

Ididntdothis wrote: post #30
vvanders wrote: post #9

Glad to see competition finally coming around. That said I still wonder if they're holding back here to not cannibalize other lines. The 0-60 in the 3.5s range is over a full second off Tesla's best and for a performance brand seems like you want to be more in line with Tesla.

0-60 is pretty useless and easy to achieve. Good handling is much harder to achieve and requires more development. I would expect a Porsche to handle much better than tesla.

> 0-60 is pretty useless

I completely disagree. Quarter mile times with terminal speed over 100 is useless. 10/10 at the limit adhesion differences are useless. 0-60 is useful almost every time you get in the car.

Nicest part about an EV? You pretty much get to choose your lane if you are first at the stop light. No making loud engine noises. Just floor the accelerator and choose what lane you want. That's the most practice performance metric out there in daily driving.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by cptskippy »

zarkov99 wrote: post #88
eastendguy wrote: post #86

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Yeah, but I usually don't want to accelerate 10 times, but only once in a while (e. g. after a red light). It is totally useless, but great fun in Tesla.

Yes, true, but it does cheapen the experience when you learn don't really have a high performance car after the first couple of laps.

I think his point is that the vast majority of these cars never see a track. They're commuter vehicles that will use Ludacris Mode or Launch Control as a party trick once in a while. To these people claiming repeatability is an excuse like saying you need to stretch or weren't ready.
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