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Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by davewritescode »

vvanders wrote: post #9

Glad to see competition finally coming around. That said I still wonder if they're holding back here to not cannibalize other lines. The 0-60 in the 3.5s range is over a full second off Tesla's best and for a performance brand seems like you want to be more in line with Tesla.

They’re also stressing repeatability of 0-60 acceleration where Tesla reports 0-60 on nearly full batteries.

The Model3 performance consistency is better than the model s because they improved the cooling system but performance drops off quickly after a couple of runs.

I expect the Porsche to deliver consistent performance because that’s what they’ve been talking about for the last 3 years. Specifically, the referred to “ludicrous mode” as a party trick.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by sorokod »

Lendal wrote: post #27
navigatesol wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because 0-60 times are just one facet of performance. Why aren't Tesla dominating Formula E? Or hill climbing?

Most people buying these things know the only performance thing they'll ever do with the car is a straight launch from a stop at an intersection. They won't ever be needing high-G turning ability on a city street, nor any other maneuver that would be too dangerous on a city street with pedestrians and bicyclists around. Tesla seems to have played their cards very well.

Most people buying these things know the only performance thing they'll ever do with the car is a straight launch from a stop at an intersection

Is that true? I would have thought that the most Tesla owners care about is how far they can project their image of wealth and sofistication

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

#33

Post by gsnedders »

davewritescode wrote: post #31
vvanders wrote: post #9

Glad to see competition finally coming around. That said I still wonder if they're holding back here to not cannibalize other lines. The 0-60 in the 3.5s range is over a full second off Tesla's best and for a performance brand seems like you want to be more in line with Tesla.

They’re also stressing repeatability of 0-60 acceleration where Tesla reports 0-60 on nearly full batteries. The Model3 performance consistency is better than the model s because they improved the cooling system but performance drops off quickly after a couple of runs. I expect the Porsche to deliver consistent performance because that’s what they’ve been talking about for the last 3 years. Specifically, the referred…

Also Porsche are fairly well known for being very conservative with their published 0-60/62 numbers.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

#34

Post by ratsbane »

It all looks very nice, but is it just a copy of the Model 3 with a few upgraded bits (air suspension) and twice the price?

Also, the interior seemed very dark - maybe just the pre-production version hiding some details or I'm just used to the glass Model 3 roof.

Nice to see more manufacturers getting serious about this obvious electric-car future.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

#35

Post by vvanders »

davewritescode wrote: post #29
pmcollins wrote: post #5

It has a two-speed transmission, which should help with high-speed performance. https://insideevs.com/news/343827/porsche-taycan-2-speed-rea... But one of the advantages of an electric car for me is the possibility of no (variable) transmission. I don't want clutches that are constantly wearing down as I drive. For me this is not about money or maintenance headaches, but about elegance.

Running electrical engines at lower speed should in theory reduce wear, especially at autobahn type speeds. If you’ve ever driven an electric performance car one of the most disappointing things is comparing 30–90 vs 0-60. Arguably the latter is more important because the typical on-ramp is generally 30 mph and highway traffic around me is traveling at 75+

That's why dual motors are nifty, you gear them separately (front for cruise, rear for accel) and you get better efficiency, handling and traction.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

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Post by zippergz »

tyfon wrote: post #2

I think this is the first car that is nearing the 2013 tesla model s. I'm also curious about the rapid charge, it was supposed to be 350 afaik but is launching with 150ish only (not 250 as in the web page) and will be increased with software updates in the next few years. I think if they put a proper infotainment system with a big screen like tesla, give free map/system updates and it doesn't suck in efficiency it mi…

I know I’m the weirdo, but the big screen is something I dislike about the Model S. I’m glad to be getting options that don’t have it.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

#37

Post by lazyjones »

clouddrover wrote: post #10
vvanders wrote: post #9

Glad to see competition finally coming around. That said I still wonder if they're holding back here to not cannibalize other lines. The 0-60 in the 3.5s range is over a full second off Tesla's best and for a performance brand seems like you want to be more in line with Tesla.

If you try to drive a Tesla Model S like a performance car it just overheats: https://www.thedrive.com/news/5207/this-video-reminds-us-tha... https://jalopnik.com/heres-what-a-tesla-model-s-can-do-aroun... Here's a Model S losing to a Nissan Leaf over 14 laps: https://insideevs.com/news/359903/video-nissan-leaf-beats-te... Porsche doesn't want to be in line with that.

> If you try to drive a Tesla Model S like a performance car it just overheats

That's the 2014/2015 models. Has anyone tested more recent ones?

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

#38

Post by tonyedgecombe »

sorokod wrote: post #32
Lendal wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people buying these things know the only performance thing they'll ever do with the car is a straight launch from a stop at an intersection. They won't ever be needing high-G turning ability on a city street, nor any other maneuver that would be too dangerous on a city street with pedestrians and bicyclists around. Tesla seems to have played their cards very well.

Most people buying these things know the only performance thing they'll ever do with the car is a straight launch from a stop at an intersection Is that true? I would have thought that the most Tesla owners care about is how far they can project their image of wealth and sofistication

and how "environmentally conscious" they are.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

#39

Post by davewritescode »

steelframe wrote: post #26
clouddrover wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you try to drive a Tesla Model S like a performance car it just overheats: https://www.thedrive.com/news/5207/this-video-reminds-us-tha... https://jalopnik.com/heres-what-a-tesla-model-s-can-do-aroun... Here's a Model S losing to a Nissan Leaf over 14 laps: https://insideevs.com/news/359903/video-nissan-leaf-beats-te... Porsche doesn't want to be in line with that.

Oops, you've accidentally presented hard facts criticizing Tesla in a tech forum and have been summarily downvoted! Tesla's ludicrous launch is a party trick. It produces a number to prop up a marketing blurb. "Fastest production car ever!" Tesla has been doing the same sort of thing with "Safest car ever!" to the point that NHTSA recently sent Tesla a cease-and-desist letter over misleading statements about the Mode…

100% agree with you, I feel like I get treated like a luddite when I tell people I’m not really a huge fan of Tesla.

I’ve been looking forward to the Germans entering the electric car market for real. Should force everyone to step up their game.

Re: Porsche Taycan [video]

#40

Post by bryanlarsen »

steelframe wrote: post #26
clouddrover wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you try to drive a Tesla Model S like a performance car it just overheats: https://www.thedrive.com/news/5207/this-video-reminds-us-tha... https://jalopnik.com/heres-what-a-tesla-model-s-can-do-aroun... Here's a Model S losing to a Nissan Leaf over 14 laps: https://insideevs.com/news/359903/video-nissan-leaf-beats-te... Porsche doesn't want to be in line with that.

Oops, you've accidentally presented hard facts criticizing Tesla in a tech forum and have been summarily downvoted! Tesla's ludicrous launch is a party trick. It produces a number to prop up a marketing blurb. "Fastest production car ever!" Tesla has been doing the same sort of thing with "Safest car ever!" to the point that NHTSA recently sent Tesla a cease-and-desist letter over misleading statements about the Mode…

> A properly engineered drivetrain will be able to sustain its launches over several back-to-back activations

All cars designed primarily for the highway rather than the track have issues with brake heating, transmission fluid heating, et cetera, and slow down over time. The Model S is extreme in that manner, but the Model 3 slowdowns are are far less extreme than the S's limp mode.

> NHTSA recently sent Tesla a cease-and-desist letter over misleading statements about the Model 3′s safety rating.

Having the NHTSA say "A lack of evidence proving you're not the safest isn't the same as saying you are the safest" isn't really bad news or bad publicity.

> The machines they ship will hit a number, and then they will hit that number again, and again, and again, and again. And that won't fade. It won't destroy the battery. It won't get nerfed with an over-the-air update a couple of months after hitting the market.

The big manufacturers have been promising "Tesla killers" for a decade now. They've continually disappointed. This is Porsche's first production BEV. There will be compromises, they will make mistakes. It still might be a Tesla killer, substantially better than the new Tesla Roadster coming next year but up until they're shipping in volume and have had some time to shake out both cars are brochure-ware.

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