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Electric motor design claims remarkable improvements
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Re: Electric motor design claims remarkable improvements
#12Feel free to educate me... > The HET is a three-dimensional, circumferential flux, exterior > permanent magnet electric motor with some interesting > characteristics. For starters, it runs four rotors where other motors > typically run one or two. The stator is fully encapsulated in a four > sided "magnetic torque tunnel," each side having the same polarity, > ensuring that all magnetic fields are in the direction of…
Re: Electric motor design claims remarkable improvements
#13Feel free to educate me... > The HET is a three-dimensional, circumferential flux, exterior > permanent magnet electric motor with some interesting > characteristics. For starters, it runs four rotors where other motors > typically run one or two. The stator is fully encapsulated in a four > sided "magnetic torque tunnel," each side having the same polarity, > ensuring that all magnetic fields are in the direction of…
I know how marketing departments work, if you have a product that has only one advantage over the competition, then they'll go and market your product as if it's the best at every point. I bet they've come up with this design that eliminates the need for gearing while retaining efficiency at low torque, and the rest is just marketing jabber.
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#15Electric cars don't usually have "gearboxes" proper. They use gears, fixed ratio reductors. This is not expensive nor is it fragile nor bulky nor inefficient. The benefits that a very high torque motor could bring are real but marginal, a few percentage points improvements on the respective metrics. They could instantly be negated by, say, the lower initial reliability of a revolutionary design.
The article mentions that.
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#16How cooling of rotor being achieved ? Energy, power and torque density of other motor designs are limited by their cooling capacity. Reluctance motor being externally cooled, has this as a prime selling point. I think for claimed improvement, it will need external cooling which is not mentioned in article.
There's a lot not mentioned. How do they move the rotor magnets in field weakening? How do they reconfigure the coils? How do they get 20 percent more efficiency when most are already over 90-95 percent?
Re: Electric motor design claims remarkable improvements
#17Feel free to educate me... > The HET is a three-dimensional, circumferential flux, exterior > permanent magnet electric motor with some interesting > characteristics. For starters, it runs four rotors where other motors > typically run one or two. The stator is fully encapsulated in a four > sided "magnetic torque tunnel," each side having the same polarity, > ensuring that all magnetic fields are in the direction of…
I'm a total novice to electric motor design, but they mention being able to switch between simulating phases. I don't think they mean they do higher torque at lower power input. I think it means that they can transparently trade efficiency for higher torque, so they can be efficient at low torque, high speed, while also be able to deliver torque at low speed without requiring gearing. I know how marketing departments…
What they were talking about is phase weakening.
Think of voltage as 'electrical pressure'. Like PSI or Bar.
Think of amperage as 'volume per second' or 'amount of electrons (equivalent charge) per second'... like liters per minute.
Combine the volume per second by pressure and you get total energy per second; watts. Hence 'voltage * amps = watts'
Electric motors are also generators. When they spin they create their own 'reverse voltage', sometimes called 'Back EMF', that creates resistance in the windings of the motor.
The faster the motor spins the greater this 'back emf'. It'll increase until the 'back emf' creates enough resistance that it effectively negates the voltage coming from the power source. At that point the motor has reached it's top speed. This is why DC motors don't try to spin infinitely fast.
The strength of the motor, the torque, is directly related to the amount of amperage flowing. When the motor is at it's top speed it's generating only enough torque to overcome the resistance of the bearings and other parasitic drag. So very little actual current is flowing, especially in a very efficient motor.
Field weakening is a technique that you can use to overcome some of this limitation.
What it does is change the shape of the voltage wave. Most of the time on a oscilloscope it would show up as a sine wave or trapezoid... But if you can change the timing and peak of the wave then you can effectively weaken the magnetic field at the right time that the 'back emf' isn't as strong. Sort of flatten out the peak and make the pulse wider then it normally would be.
So you end up flowing less peak amperage, but overall more amperage. Depending on the type of motor and speed the amount of extra torque/amperage you can generate can be very significant. The trade off is reduced efficiency.
A simple motor surface mount magnet may only see a 20-30% increase in top speed and decrease in torque at the low end. A more modern interior mounted magnet (were magnets are embedded inside of steel laminates) that combines the strength of the rare earth magnets with reluctance of the magnetic field flowing through the steel.. (think of the magnets providing their own force at low end and then providing a guiding path for magnetic flux as the motor speeds up) Can see many multiples boost in top speed while still maintaining significant torque at low end. Field weakening on some motors can produce increased torque across the entire RPM range.
This is going to be very strongly taken advantage of in EVs like the Tesla Model 3.
Although in the case of most motors this field weakening is done electronically, by changing the shape of the waves sent to the motor.
This design does the same thing, but by moving the drum's magnets out of phase with the magnets on either side. So it's mechanical field weakening.
It's not a super-new concept or anything. I expect their patents have to do with the 'H' shape of the spindle and the math behind how it is supposed to work.
I don't know if mechanical field weakening really provides any real benefit over electronically controlled one.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's a lot not mentioned. How do they move the rotor magnets in field weakening? How do they reconfigure the coils? How do they get 20 percent more efficiency when most are already over 90-95 percent?
I think they must be claiming a 20% improvement on the 90% baseline, otherwise it doesn't make any sense.
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#19I doubt that the current record of 10kw per kilogram is beatable by any significant extend.
This is limited much by limits of material science, and not electromagnetics. Those 10kw/kg motors fully utilise close to like 80% of the flux, so much bigger advancements from geometry change are unlikely.
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#20Electric cars don't usually have "gearboxes" proper. They use gears, fixed ratio reductors. This is not expensive nor is it fragile nor bulky nor inefficient. The benefits that a very high torque motor could bring are real but marginal, a few percentage points improvements on the respective metrics. They could instantly be negated by, say, the lower initial reliability of a revolutionary design.
Are there transmissions out there for EVs, and I just haven't been paying attention? And if no, why is it so hard? Is it because of the torque?