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FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

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Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

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Yeah. Let’s take away a specifically enumerated constitutional right to better protect, maybe, one that appears only in the “penumbras” of the document.

I honestly don't know what your position is because the right against unreasonable searches and seizures and right to arms are both specifically enumerated in the fourth and second amendments, respectively.

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Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

#62
post #52

Is the American government position “Guns don’t kill people, encryption kills people”, or am I just combining the personal opinions of a bunch of unrelated people who work for the government?

It really does seem to be that is the position. There are a lot of backwards nutjobs in the government right now, blaming other backwards nutjobs, while the rest of us sane people are trying to duct tape society together.

Guns don't kill people, encryption doesn't kill people, backwards nutjobs kill people. Politics in America, currently, can entirely be summed up as the Spiderman pointing at Spiderman meme.

Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

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post #52

Is the American government position “Guns don’t kill people, encryption kills people”, or am I just combining the personal opinions of a bunch of unrelated people who work for the government?

This was exactly my thought when I read this article. But the scariest thing is that, what US Govt decides have huge implications for the whole world!

Having a backdoor in software NOT only enables US government and other cyber criminals to have access. It also enables other governments like Russian, Chinese, Israilean, North Korean governments too! Keep that in mind too.

Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

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post #30

Does that even make sense from a technical perspective? They are talking about a PIN code to unlock the phone to access the data on the phone. Could they not just remove the memory chip and access it directly? Even if the data on it is encrypted using a 6-digit PIN, brute-forcing that should be a trivial task.

If it’s an iPhone, the data is encrypted with a key derived from the PIN and a random key that is baked into the phone’s CPU. The CPU has instructions for encrypting and decrypting with this secret key but no instruction for reading the key directly. Short of decapping the chip and going in with an electron microscope to figure out what this key is, your only option is to brute force on the phone’s own CPU. But that…

So why don't they decap the chip and go in with an electron microscope? Has that type of exploit ever been successfully used against modern devices, or is it only a theoretical vulnerability?

Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

#66
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. Let’s take away a specifically enumerated constitutional right to better protect, maybe, one that appears only in the “penumbras” of the document.

I honestly don't know what your position is because the right against unreasonable searches and seizures and right to arms are both specifically enumerated in the fourth and second amendments, respectively.

This guy's a T14 lawyer, maybe we're both missing something.

O majestic scholarship how elusive you are! I thought I knew you and yet you are my world!

Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

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post #38

“ultimately measured in a mounting number of victims — men, women and children who are the victims of crimes, crimes that could have been prevented if law enforcement had been given lawful access to encrypted evidence," I don't understand this. How would getting into his phone post facto stop the shooting? Do they have a time machine?

Maybe they believe that he was communicating with other people who are planning similar attacks, and they believe they could stop those attacks before they happen if they had access to the Dayton guy's phone.

Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

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post #44

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Yes. They got the guy. There's not much question about him pulling the trigger. And he's dead. What's to find out?

Co-defendants or co-conspirators?

they will get them by the computer and by the websites.

Re: FBI tells lawmakers it can't access Dayton gunman's phone

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dead people is... the worst... arguing that we should give up freedom is bad... what, do we do here?

Rights are more important than lives. The United States has spent the lives hundreds of thousands of soldiers in defense of those rights. We should no more surrender those rights to fear and alarmism than we would surrender them to a foreign invader.

Beautifully said; a salute to these heroes.
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