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Re: Who Owns Huawei?

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Post by bb101 »

sprafa wrote: post #99

There’s also something the Chinese state calls “fusion centres” which is one of the most interesting facets of this intelligence-industrial complex in China. Essentially the state decides, let’s say high tech cutting edge batteries for storing renewable energy is where they want to invest in. They gather a few companies into a building that can do it or are interested. They then have state representatives who effecti…

Fascinating. Do you know any recent good books that cover the topic? I'm thinking something like Browder's Red Notice, but for China. Misha Glenny delved into China in his McMafia, but it was more about smuggling in the Fujian province, and its governor at the time: Xi.

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Post by ajot »

sprafa wrote: post #99

There’s also something the Chinese state calls “fusion centres” which is one of the most interesting facets of this intelligence-industrial complex in China. Essentially the state decides, let’s say high tech cutting edge batteries for storing renewable energy is where they want to invest in. They gather a few companies into a building that can do it or are interested. They then have state representatives who effecti…

> I heard it described by an NSA analyst in a very interesting talk.

Is this talk available somewhere? I would like to hear that!

Re: Who Owns Huawei?

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Post by philwelch »

luckydata wrote: post #71
throw0101a wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also, owning some of Western popular culture is a decent geopolitical chip. Tencent is co-producing the Top Gun sequel, and Maverick's jacket no longer has either the Japanese or Taiwanese flags on the back: * https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a28479683/ * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gun:_Maverick > Maybe it’s not as great as a nuke, but China can use popular video games to raise the next generatio…

Which part of China is not a totalitarian state?

Hong Kong, so far.

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Post by tthhuyid »

throw0101a wrote: post #62
parsimo2010 wrote: post #41

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Absolutely, but remember that they aren’t prevented from making money or conducting legitimate business just because they answer to the party officials. It’s not worthwhile to spy on teenagers wholesale, but they might pull the logs of a senator’s kid and we would never be the wiser. Also, owning some of Western popular culture is a decent geopolitical chip. Maybe it’s not as great as a nuke, but China can use popula…

> Also, owning some of Western popular culture is a decent geopolitical chip. Tencent is co-producing the Top Gun sequel, and Maverick's jacket no longer has either the Japanese or Taiwanese flags on the back: * https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a28479683/ * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gun:_Maverick > Maybe it’s not as great as a nuke, but China can use popular video games to raise the next generatio…

Reading about the drone strikes on civilians does not make me dislike the US. Similarly, reading those links does not really affect how I feel about China.

Re: Who Owns Huawei?

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Post by tthhuyid »

throw0101a wrote: post #63
jewelry wrote: post #44

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As a Chinese lived in mainland China for 20 years, gotta say all you guys are overestimating the authoritarian.

> ... overestimating the authoritarian. Sure: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_re-education_camps

For perspective, there are 2.3 million African Americans in prison.

Re: Who Owns Huawei?

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Post by sprafa »

ajot wrote: post #122
sprafa wrote: post #99

There’s also something the Chinese state calls “fusion centres” which is one of the most interesting facets of this intelligence-industrial complex in China. Essentially the state decides, let’s say high tech cutting edge batteries for storing renewable energy is where they want to invest in. They gather a few companies into a building that can do it or are interested. They then have state representatives who effecti…

> I heard it described by an NSA analyst in a very interesting talk. Is this talk available somewhere? I would like to hear that!

It was in a great blog by a guy who seems to be former NSA or similar - CyberSecPolitics

Looking for it right now tho is beyond my capabilities - I am on mobile and it’s 4Am where I live..

Most of the talk is centered in which cyber capabilities each country has and how they use them. He said interesting stuff about the Russians allowing a lot black hat hacking to go on - as long as it’s directed elsewhere. Then the state uses them agaisnt adversaries when needed. Lots of interesting stuff.

Re: Who Owns Huawei?

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Post by sprafa »

bb101 wrote: post #121
sprafa wrote: post #99

There’s also something the Chinese state calls “fusion centres” which is one of the most interesting facets of this intelligence-industrial complex in China. Essentially the state decides, let’s say high tech cutting edge batteries for storing renewable energy is where they want to invest in. They gather a few companies into a building that can do it or are interested. They then have state representatives who effecti…

Fascinating. Do you know any recent good books that cover the topic? I'm thinking something like Browder's Red Notice, but for China. Misha Glenny delved into China in his McMafia, but it was more about smuggling in the Fujian province, and its governor at the time: Xi.

I don’t know of any books. This talk was in featured in a blog called CyberSecPolitics which I follow.

Re: Who Owns Huawei?

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Post by Lendal »

tthhuyid wrote: post #120
jjeaff wrote: post #108

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It's just not. Look at Apple's fight with the government over unlocking the iPhone as a recent example. Can you imagine a company is Russia or China fighting like that to keep secrets away?

Didn’t Snowden reveal otherwise? That if the government really wanted the information, the could just send a National Security Letter using Secret Courts. Aren’t the fates of Lavabit and MCI demonstrations of that power?

Snowden didn't know everything then, and he knows even less now. Also, asking a company for data or even stealing the data through subterfuge doesn't make you an owner of that company.

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Post by alexashka »

smacktoward wrote: post #23

I've heard a similar observation phrased slightly differently to describe Russia. If you're looking at a large Russian company, it goes, you're by definition looking at a company that has come to some kind of accommodation with the state -- because if they hadn't, the state would never have permitted them to get large.

I fail to see how this would by definition, not be true, in any country with any form of government.

Any entity that wields power, is a potential threat to a monopoly power holder (the state), and as a result, has to be collaborated with, or fought against.

Re: Who Owns Huawei?

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Post by wallace_f »

FPGAhacker wrote: post #94
wallace_f wrote: post #49

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Yea if you want to change the world, reach out to the next generation? Remember all those other generations of people living in crazy societies with crazy ideas? People's values, behaviors and loyalties are basically imprinted on them during childhood. There is an Einstein quote where he talks about how 'most people can't even form their own opinions' and he is right.

>There is an Einstein quote where he talks about how 'most people can't even form their own opinions' and he is right. QED

Haha, I know what you mean.
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