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Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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Post by jimclegg »

magashna wrote: post #75
miles wrote: post #32

Have we all forgotten that mobile phone battery replacement was just this easy[0] not too long ago? Now, even a phone listed in "9 Best Phones With Removable Battery In 2019"[1] has a battery replacement process like this[2]. [0] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sxdXuKbivQ&t=1m0s [1] https://thedroidguy.com/2019/06/9-best-phones-removable-batt... [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY07MujU2pM

Last time I remember having any easy access was the Galaxy S3. Pop open the back, swap battery. Done. I would even carry spares when on vacation if I needed some extra juice.

I expect intelligence agencies hates removable batteries.

Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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Post by saagarjha »

konschubert wrote: post #78
Betelgeuse90 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, you'll get the "service battery" message even if you place an original Apple battery in the iPhone. A used device that was serviced perfectly well but not by Apple will still display this message. All this means is that the battery wasn't replaced by Apple themselves.

The only way for apple to make sure that the replacement battery is original is by doing the replacement themselves. Or DRM. Do you want battery DRM?

Isn't that what the battery chip is?

Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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Post by saagarjha »

JustSomeNobody wrote: post #63
eridius wrote: post #58

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No but it's going to prevent a PR disaster when a phone's "Apple" battery explodes.

How would it be a disaster? All they have to do is determine it's a third party battery and all the tech blogs move on.

That's not how PR works, unfortunately.

Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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Post by teej »

vxNsr wrote: post #174
teej wrote: post #165

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Nothing in your sources indicate there's intention in Apple driving folks towards these repairs. Geniuses don't work on commission, they have zero incentive to tell people to fix things they dont need to. I think this is a Hanlon's razor situation where you're assuming Apple is malicious when really it's just lack of knowledge on behalf of some Geniuses.

No one is claiming that apple is training their geniuses to intentionally guide people to more expensive repairs. In fact they are accusing apple of a lack of adequate training, These guys just don't know that what they're saying is untrue. Apple's failed to train their technicians to repair anything. all they can do is replace.

The commenter I responded to literally said that the genius intentionally told the customer the wrong thing. They have since edited that part out. So yes, folks right here are claiming intent where there is none.

Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

saagarjha wrote: post #180
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #176

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What installing a malicious fingerprint scanner buys you is that you can unlock the phone. Which means all you have to do is require the user to unlock the phone (e.g. with a PIN) to activate the new fingerprint scanner. That protects the data that was already on the phone when the new fingerprint scanner is installed. And as for future use of the phone, that's already hopeless, because if you have the capability to…

> replace it with a fully rogue phone that you've copied the original data to How? This would require decrypting the data, wouldn't it?

But you just unlocked it. That's the point. If you can unlock the phone without it then you might as well accept the fingerprint reader.

Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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Post by saagarjha »

jimclegg wrote: post #181
magashna wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Last time I remember having any easy access was the Galaxy S3. Pop open the back, swap battery. Done. I would even carry spares when on vacation if I needed some extra juice.

I expect intelligence agencies hates removable batteries.

Why?

Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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Post by saagarjha »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #143
joshypants wrote: post #37

Apple makes increasingly disappointing products. I recently was looking at replacing my iPhone 7 Plus, but around $900 would get the next baseline model, for no real tangible benefits, and some tangible downsides like no zoom lens and being forced to use the face scanning. Sorry, I'll replace my battery and cracked screen and wait a couple more years, thanks.

You can disable FaceID and go with typed passcodes.

Or not use a passcode at all…

Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

saagarjha wrote: post #177
ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #158

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Apple doesn't want their customers to get f'd over you say? You might want to check out Luis Rosmann's videos, a famous Apple repair geek who fixes for cheap the products Apple themselves misdiagnose[1] in order to rip off their customers[2]. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7RXJP4mxCc // teenager's MacBook's display is not working correctly so Geniuses tell him he needs a new motherboard replacement while Luis d…

Louis Rossman isn't really the best source for unbiased information: https://old.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/9pow06/louis_rossman...

They're claiming the factory wasn't authorized to manufacture the batteries, but that's only because they had an Apple logo on them, so he had them get rid of the logo, which is the only thing that requires them to be "authorized" for. How is that even controversial? It seems to be the opposite of counterfeiting -- making it so the non-Apple battery doesn't have the Apple logo.

Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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Post by saagarjha »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #185
saagarjha wrote: post #180

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> replace it with a fully rogue phone that you've copied the original data to How? This would require decrypting the data, wouldn't it?

But you just unlocked it. That's the point. If you can unlock the phone without it then you might as well accept the fingerprint reader.

Maybe I'm not understanding your "attack": are you not saying that the repair shop can replace your phone with a malicious one with your data on it?

Re: Apple Is Locking iPhone Batteries to Discourage Repair

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Post by saagarjha »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #188
saagarjha wrote: post #177

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Louis Rossman isn't really the best source for unbiased information: https://old.reddit.com/r/apple/comments/9pow06/louis_rossman...

They're claiming the factory wasn't authorized to manufacture the batteries, but that's only because they had an Apple logo on them, so he had them get rid of the logo, which is the only thing that requires them to be "authorized" for. How is that even controversial? It seems to be the opposite of counterfeiting -- making it so the non-Apple battery doesn't have the Apple logo.

Rossman tried to claim that Apple seized the batteries (they didn't: the DHS did, independently of Apple) and claimed they were counterfeit when they weren't. Except he was actually smuggling illicit batteries into the country (willfully obfuscating this fact by hiding the Apple logo) and then making videos claiming that they were completely genuine and Apple didn't want him to have these because Apple personally hated him.
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